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Cruise ship finds rocks
Topic Started: Jan 14 2012, 10:31 AM (1,794 Views)
kenny
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kenny
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There goes a bunch of lives and money.
3 dead
70 missing

They waited too long to let down enough life boats, those 3 orange things.

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holy crap that's awful. and I hope it's not leaking fuel into that harbour. how the heck do you haul something like that away?

I have a friend who recently came back from her second cruise with Costa. You can get some amazing deals, if you can handle spur of the moment vacation decisions.
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Jan 14 2012, 11:32 AM
how the heck do you haul something like that away?
Intriguing question.
I doubt they'll just leave it there to rust for hundreds of years.

Maybe it is possible to patch the enormous exposed holes, have divers close submerged watertight hatches, then if the ship's designed for it pump out enough water, and pump in enough air, to raise it it enough to clear the rocks.
Then tow it out to sea and sink it, or tow it to a salvage yard for repair or scrap.

What an enormous insurance claim. :doh:
I'd hate to be that captain right now.
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they just arrested the captain and first officer for abandoning the ship before accounting for all passengers.
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Jan 14 2012, 05:18 PM
they just arrested the captain and first officer for abandoning the ship before accounting for all passengers.
According to maritime law, from what I've read, that's a greater offense than causing the deaths of the passengers.
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Sounds like an antiquated law.
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Look at the waterline on the ship, then contemplate how much of the vessel is above the waterline, and how much is below the waterline - always amazes me that the things aren't so top heavy that they immediately flip over.

Also good view of the stabiliser sticking out.

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Jan 15 2012, 09:54 AM
Look at the waterline on the ship, then contemplate how much of the vessel is above the waterline, and how much is below the waterline - always amazes me that the things aren't so top heavy that they immediately flip over.

Ship design is a trade off between safety and profits from high capacity.

I've been following this closely.
One expert said the profit motive has resulted in today's unsafely-large ships staffed with insufficient and inadequately trained employees in the event of an emergency like this.

The more people you cram onto a quickly sinking ship the less likely it is you can get them off in time regardless of how many lifeboats there are.

Another problem: men were told, "Step back sir. Women and children first."
Men however refused to be separated from their loved ones.
This is a change in culture that the crew cannot fix.

This resulted in more chaos, fights and delays as time ran out for the life rafts on the starboard side.
Soon even the life rafts on the port side could not be lowered since the ship has listed too much.

I hope this will result in investigations and legislation to limit passengers to a safer number, and tell the money-grubbing cruise lines to fvck off.

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THIS is a ship!

I saw her anchored outside of Road Town, Tortola in the BVI a few weeks ago.

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kenny
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Captain says the charts indicate he was far from rocks.

They have recovered the black box so that should reveal if it was equipment error or human error or both.
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Hmmm.... Possible "ShowBoating"?

That won't play well.
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Looking at all those photos, I am surprised that there seems to be not a whole lot of lifeboats. Is that really enough for 4200 passengers and crew? Even assuming you could cram 100 people into a lifeboat, that's still 42 lifeboats.

In this photo, I count room for about 15:

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I think most lifeboats today hold over 150 each. Don;t forget the otherside too. 15 plus 15 = 30. 30 x 150 = 4500
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Jan 15 2012, 03:43 PM
I think most lifeboats today hold over 150 each. Don;t forget the otherside too. 15 plus 15 = 30. 30 x 150 = 4500
I had no idea they could hold that many.

Wow.

Unfortunately, when the ship capsizes, half of those lifeboats are useless.
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I think there are two types of life "boats", the more substantial ones you are counting, and others which were orange rafts, three of which are visible in the third pic I posted above.

The substantial boats are for First Class passengers, Republicans, and are stocked with Champagne, Almas Beluga caviar and toast.
Those orange rafts are for the scum of the earth liberals down in steerage.
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Seems surreal. Like something that just couldn't possibly happen these days.
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Jan 15 2012, 04:29 PM
Seems surreal. Like something that just couldn't possibly happen these days.
Quite.

It has captured my attention.
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Jan 15 2012, 03:15 PM
Looking at all those photos, I am surprised that there seems to be not a whole lot of lifeboats. Is that really enough for 4200 passengers and crew? Even assuming you could cram 100 people into a lifeboat, that's still 42 lifeboats.

In this photo, I count room for about 15:

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And how close they are to the rocks? Yet the captain claims it was a unmapped obstacle?...WTF???? Geeze...

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The first story I read said the captain steered in toward shallower water AFTER striking the rocks. He wanted the ship in waters that would keep its superstructure above water.

As to things that don't happen today, I think that was also the prevailing wisdom on the Titanic. :whome:
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Jan 15 2012, 05:45 PM
As to things that don't happen today, I think that was also the prevailing wisdom on the Titanic. :whome:
Downton Abbey, episode 1:

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