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"It's just a piece of paper"
Topic Started: Dec 22 2011, 07:44 AM (269 Views)
George K
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OK, someone explain this to me, because I'm obviously too ignorant to understand.

In the law making process, Congress passes a bill by majorities in both houses. The bill goes to the President to sign or veto. There is no "line-item" veto, so he has to either accept the bill as presented or veto the whole thing, right?
Right???

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Attorney General Eric Holder confirmed speculation Wednesday that President Barack Obama would issue a signing statement when he makes the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) and its controversial detention provisions law.

“We made really substantial progress in moving from something that was really unacceptable to the administration to something with which we still have problems,” Holder said in response to a question from the Wall Street Journal’s Evan Perez. “But I think through these procedures, with these regulations we will be crafting, we can minimize the problems that will actually affect us in an operational way.”

Holder said the language of the NDAA had been moved in a “substantial way” from some of the original language which led the president to issue a veto threat.

“So we are in a better place, I think the regulations, procedures that will help, and we’ll also have a signing statement from the president” which will help clarify how they view the law, Holder said.

I will spare everyone the "I won't do 'signing statements" video from the distant past - you know, 2008.

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Edited by George K, Dec 22 2011, 07:45 AM.
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Dec 22 2011, 09:21 AM
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George K
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A lawyer I used to know said:
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When it comes to bills ... individual bills, or omnibus bills, it doesn't matter ... the President can sign it or veto it. He cannot change it. Not even with a signing statement.


And another lawyer said:
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didn't follow the law of the land (by his many signing statements),


He also said:
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George Bush has issued signing statements in large numbers, more than all the other presidents combined, IIRC. His position appears to be that he's the president and needn't follow the law.


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All the other presidents seemed to be able to abide by our laws. Why can't Bush?


And yet another lawyer said:
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his notorious signing statements


And someone who is nobody's sock said:
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Bush uses signing statements to ignore laws he doesn't like. Instead of vetoeing laws passed by Congress, Bush simply attaches a statement saying he intends to disregard or decline to enforce laws he has just signed.
...
Article II of the Constitution requires that the president faithfully execute the laws. Apparently, that too is something this president has decided doesn't apply to him.


And a college professor I used to know said:
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The use of signing statements is one of the major techniques they sought to employ in order to expand the Executive power.

If one keeps this in mind, much of what has gone on in the Executive Branch in many area, including this one, the increased surveillance of Americans, and many other actions begins to make sense and the arguments by Bush and his advisors that he has the right to do something without direct authorization from Congress that is made over and over again on a variety of issues gains context.


And today, we hear:

Nothing.
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Third option, just let it sit on his desk. After , not sure how long, it becomes law without his signature.
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George K
Dec 22 2011, 01:00 PM

And today, we hear:

Nothing.
George, they all left months ago.

Sorry to break it to you this close to Xmas.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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George K
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John D'Oh
Dec 22 2011, 03:13 PM
George, they all left months ago.
Some did, some didn't. Some lurk.
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Sorry to break it to you this close to Xmas.

's OK. I have bigger disappointments than that this year.
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George K
Dec 22 2011, 01:00 PM
A lawyer I used to know....
/ignore

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George K
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You're not the boss of me!

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President Obama said Friday he will not be bound by at least 20 policy riders in the 2012 omnibus funding the government, including provisions pertaining to Guantanamo Bay and gun control.

After he signed the omnibus into law Friday, the White House released a concurrent signing statement saying Obama will object to portions of the legislation on constitutional grounds. Signing statements are highly controversial, and their legality is disputed.

"I have advised the Congress that I will not construe these provisions as preventing me from fulfilling my constitutional responsibility to recommend to the Congress's consideration such measures as I shall judge necessary and expedient," Obama said in a statement as he signed the bill into law.

The signing statement says that on the issue of accused terrorist detainees, Obama will interpret and apply provisions that bar the transfer of detainees from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, "in a manner that avoids constitutional conflicts."
Obama also objected to Defense provisions in the bill that limit the president's ability to put troops under foreign command and require 30 days advance notice to Congress for any use of the military which would involve more than $100,000 in construction costs.

The president also objected to a section aimed at blocking health, climate, auto policy and urban affairs "czars" from being employed by the White House and a provision that bars health officials from advocating for gun control. The signing statement also objects to a portion of the omnibus that limits funding for the Copyright Office.

The statement also objects to numerous unnamed provisions in the bill that would require executive branch officials to clear everyday spending decisions with appropriators.

Of these extra conditions, Obama writes, "our spending decisions shall not be treated as dependent on the approval of congressional committees"


Good times, good times.
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