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| Amish girl in Ohio accidentally shot; ...from 1.5 miles away | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 21 2011, 04:00 AM (336 Views) | |
| The 89th Key | Dec 21 2011, 04:00 AM Post #1 |
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BUGGY_SHOOTING_DEATH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-12-20-17-50-11 |
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| jon-nyc | Dec 21 2011, 04:04 AM Post #2 |
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Cheers
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Wow. The anti-lottery. |
| In my defense, I was left unsupervised. | |
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| Piano*Dad | Dec 21 2011, 04:51 AM Post #3 |
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Bull-Carp
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And that next satellite to fall will ........ |
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| brenda | Dec 21 2011, 06:20 AM Post #4 |
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What a sad thing for the family. Hubby and I visited that area many times when we were first married and lived near there. It's such a lovely region. |
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 21 2011, 06:24 AM Post #5 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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It is. The gun owner is an idiot. You don't fire off into nothing like that. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| brenda | Dec 21 2011, 06:27 AM Post #6 |
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Idiot indeed. |
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| The 89th Key | Dec 21 2011, 06:44 AM Post #7 |
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I often see videos of folks (on farms, hunting, etc) shooting into the air. I've always thought "Hmm, the bullets are going SOMEWHERE". If you're a gun owner, is it ALWAYS a no-no to shoot the gun into the air? |
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| George K | Dec 21 2011, 06:51 AM Post #8 |
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Finally
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As usual, Cecil at the Straight Dope has the answer:
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| LWpianistin | Dec 21 2011, 06:53 AM Post #9 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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My family never shoots into the air. |
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| Piano*Dad | Dec 21 2011, 07:17 AM Post #10 |
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Bull-Carp
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Tell that to folks in the Middle East ..... |
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| kluurs | Dec 21 2011, 10:31 AM Post #11 |
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Fulla-Carp
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People do stupid things - I suspect every one of us has done something stupid enough to take the life of another - or certainly ourselves - whether driving distracted or too fast for conditions or what have you. Most people with children have a couple of stories that changed their hair color. I have a friend who was getting her infant out of the car and into her carriage - when carriage and baby went down the driveway - and across a two way street. She was sprinting after the carriage (steep driveway) went across both lanes of traffic - but for the grace of God...but everything was OK. Child is grown up. Yup, stupid to shoot in the air - but probably figured he was in the middle of nowhere and what are the chances?? Incredibly sad story. As for the "stupid" guy - what a horrible thing to have to live with. Edited by kluurs, Dec 21 2011, 10:41 AM.
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 21 2011, 11:26 AM Post #12 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Yes, he has to live with something awful. As do the girl's parents and family. But I still contend that firing a weapon when you don't know what you are shooting at and have no idea where the round will end up is just flat out stupid - utterly irresponsible. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Kincaid | Dec 21 2011, 11:42 AM Post #13 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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The story refers to the shooter as a "gun-cleaner". I therefor figured his shot was an accident. With a muzzle loader I'm not sure there is anyway to unload it without firing it. If this was an Amish fellow, then I guess you probably need to keep your muzzle loader loaded because it isn't much good unless you are faced by a redcoat walking across a long field. So, still stupid I suppose and I guess he should have fired the gun into the ground to make sure it was safe to clean. Even that could be scary if you don't know if it is loaded. The pan would flash and nothing might come out of the barrel if there is a misfire. Then you think, "Oh, it wasn't loaded" and you go about cleaning it while a tiny spark smolders and then flashes in the pinhole and BOOM! you have a bullet coming out of your gun that hopefully is aimed in some safe direction.
Edited by Kincaid, Dec 21 2011, 11:43 AM.
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| Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006. | |
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| Kincaid | Dec 21 2011, 11:45 AM Post #14 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I am surprised that the ball from a muzzle loader (heavy but pretty slow moving I'd think) was enough to kill. I am even more surprised that it went 1.5 miles to it's target. I had no idea a muzzle loader could shoot that far. Maybe it was a modern target shooting/hunting muzzle loader as maybe they have better ballistics these days. |
| Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006. | |
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| Improviso | Dec 21 2011, 11:50 AM Post #15 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I saw that too. I mean, the longest recorded sniper kill is in the 1.5 mile range. (2707 yards) |
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| Kincaid | Dec 21 2011, 11:58 AM Post #16 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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And "target" was a bad choice of words. Interesting discussion on this on shooting forum. http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=436515 Edited by Kincaid, Dec 21 2011, 11:59 AM.
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| Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006. | |
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| Kincaid | Dec 21 2011, 12:02 PM Post #17 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Can anyone do the math? http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/vectors/u3l2e.cfm I did find a modern muzzle loader (a Savage) that uses smokeless powder and fires a .50 caliber Hornady SST/ML bullet that is a conical sabot (looks pretty wicked) and claims 2300 feet per second and 3000 lbs of impact force. The ballistics would be a lot worse if it was some old Civil War piece shooting a round ball. |
| Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006. | |
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| Copper | Dec 21 2011, 02:34 PM Post #18 |
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Shortstop
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Deadeye Dick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadeye_Dick
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| Jolly | Dec 21 2011, 07:47 PM Post #19 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Y'all need to spend less time in the physics lab and a bit more time killing things. Much of the kinetic energy bally-hoo depends on the siren call of speed. Now, don't get me wrong, I like a fast-mover as much as the next guy, but I'd rather get hit by a marshmallow zipping along at 500 ft/sec, than an M1 Abrams moving at 1 ft/sec. A typical .50 cal muzzleloader bullet is going to be 325g and up. Fairly flat meplat, not much ogive. In short, a heavy, flat bullet which tends to impart a lot of hurt over a decent area. So, we've got a heavy bullet. A flatter bullet which delivers more knock-down than the spire- point favoring mass x velocity chart would suggest. Think more in terms of Taylor's chart, and it makes more sense. Lastly, google up Dixon's shot at Adobe Walls. |
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