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The Hobbit
Topic Started: Dec 20 2011, 09:30 PM (510 Views)
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I love living through this stuff. A favorite childhood story brought to life by world class movie makers. Two more years of great movies. :D
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It's really nice to see big-budget fantasy movies. For the most part. They're already introducing sh!t that wasn't in the books and I'm not looking forward to the inevitable CGI Smaug. Y'know in the 1970s they would have done that stuff with puppetry and models with a tenth the budget, and it would have had serious flaws but they'd STILL come out with a better product.

But I'll see these two movies, and I'll more likely than not be glad I did.

They should do Children of Hurin instead.

Actually no screw that, let's see some Wheel of Time movies, huh?
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Yessiree, looks like it's going to be a really good movie. Yummy!

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Makes me want to go watch the previous 3 movies. Love the soundtrack.

BTW - is this going to be in 3D? I really hope not. And if it is, I will watch it in 2-D or 2-D IMAX.
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Dec 21 2011, 03:35 AM
Makes me want to go watch the previous 3 movies. Love the soundtrack.

BTW - is this going to be in 3D? I really hope not. And if it is, I will watch it in 2-D or 2-D IMAX.
+1 Can't wait to go see this one!
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Dec 21 2011, 03:31 AM
Yessiree, looks like it's going to be a really good movie. Yummy!

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Am I the only one who wonders at the fact that all the dwarfs except one look like......well, like freaking dwarfs?

This guy is the Jacksonsesque equivalent of an Ewok or Jar Jar Binks, and the sooner he gets beaten to death by a troll, the better!


And no, I don't want the bloody action figure.
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I thought Jackson's Trilogy was three parts brilliance and one part garbage. I fear the same mix for the Hobbit. I realize this is just my opinion, but I'm not afraid of expressing it. :tiki:

Teaming up with Alan Lee and John Howe was brilliant. The look they gave to this movie was exactly on target, IMO. The attention Jackson paid to the details was impressive and it paid off in many ways. The world really did suck you in, just like in the books. And the one part garbage? I'm sure I'll get blowback for this, but Jackson is just too much the little boy for my tastes. He did not need to dwell ad nauseam on hacking and slashing at the expense of more plot detail and character development. And his over the top exaggerations (Oliphaunts as big as apartment buildings ... c'mon) were too much of a sop to the low end of the thirteen year old boy demographic.

For the most part, I didn't object to the plot changes. Adding more scenes for Galadriel and Arwen made good sense cinematically. But killing off Saruman AND Denethor in falls/leaps, oh please. Again, that was Jackson pandering to little boys who want to exclaim, "ooooh, yuck."

Lastly, all the excess CGI warring forced him to make too many plot compromises. Leaving out the scouring of the Shire changed the ending in important ways. I think it diminished the final product.

I'm guessing that the Hobbit will have all these strengths, and all of these (IMO) flaws.
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Dec 21 2011, 05:02 AM
This guy is the Jacksonsesque equivalent of an Ewok or Jar Jar Binks,
WOAH WOAH WOAH

Lay off the ewoks. :sword:
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Dec 21 2011, 05:08 AM
I thought Jackson's Trilogy was three parts brilliance and one part garbage. I fear the same mix for the Hobbit. I realize this is just my opinion, but I'm not afraid of expressing it. :tiki:

Teaming up with Alan Lee and John Howe was brilliant. The look they gave to this movie was exactly on target, IMO. The attention Jackson paid to the details was impressive and it paid off in many ways. The world really did suck you in, just like in the books. And the one part garbage? I'm sure I'll get blowback for this, but Jackson is just too much the little boy for my tastes. He did not need to dwell ad nauseam on hacking and slashing at the expense of more plot detail and character development. And his over the top exaggerations (Oliphaunts as big as apartment buildings ... c'mon) were too much of a sop to the low end of the thirteen year old boy demographic.

For the most part, I didn't object to the plot changes. Adding more scenes for Galadriel and Arwen made good sense cinematically. But killing off Saruman AND Denethor in falls/leaps, oh please. Again, that was Jackson pandering to little boys who want to exclaim, "ooooh, yuck."

Lastly, all the excess CGI warring forced him to make too many plot compromises. Leaving out the scouring of the Shire changed the ending in important ways. I think it diminished the final product.

I'm guessing that the Hobbit will have all these strengths, and all of these (IMO) flaws.
I suspect it would be impossible to avoid making this kind of compromise and still get the funding he would have needed to make the movies. The movie industry is primarily an industry, after all. Art is nice, but dollars are essential.

The LOTR movies were an awful lot better than I feared they'd be. Not quite as good as I'd hoped, maybe, but pretty close. They could have been a lot worse.
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Dec 21 2011, 05:11 AM
John D'Oh
Dec 21 2011, 05:02 AM
This guy is the Jacksonsesque equivalent of an Ewok or Jar Jar Binks,
WOAH WOAH WOAH

Lay off the ewoks. :sword:
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what is wrong with America.

I say we occupy Endor.
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No interest whatsoever. If the boy were older maybe I'd have to see it but not at 2 1/2.
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I say we occupy Endor.

.... what? That would be Endor's Game.
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I suspect it would be impossible to avoid making this kind of compromise and still get the funding he would have needed to make the movies. The movie industry is primarily an industry, after all. Art is nice, but dollars are essential.


Yeah, I have heard that counterargument before. Yes, it has some weight. But I think characterizing my suggestions as pushing the concept toward an "art movie" is too much. There is a gulf between an art movie in which two tortured Parisian's chat for 90 minutes in a cloud of cigarette smoke and the kind of over the top pandering Jackson employed. I just think Jackson didn't find the right balance. He would have sucked in those thirteen year olds no matter what. He didn't need to grab them by the throat. And the benefit would have been that he could have produced a more ... yes, artistic piece of work.
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at first I was aghast at the LOTR movie plot changes. But then I put myself in Jackson's shoes, and he made good decisions for the movie's sake IMO.

I totally understand omitting the Scouring of the Shire, it just didn't fit for a climatic ending. Thus they had to do away with Saruman by other means.

The uncut BlueRay of LOTR pure eye candy!

I was a bit surprised that they're extending The Hobbit into 2 movies. Wonder how close Jackson stays to the book for this one. I bet much closer.
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Dec 21 2011, 05:34 AM
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I suspect it would be impossible to avoid making this kind of compromise and still get the funding he would have needed to make the movies. The movie industry is primarily an industry, after all. Art is nice, but dollars are essential.


Yeah, I have heard that counterargument before. Yes, it has some weight. But I think characterizing my suggestions as pushing the concept toward an "art movie" is too much. There is a gulf between an art movie in which two tortured Parisian's chat for 90 minutes in a cloud of cigarette smoke and the kind of over the top pandering Jackson employed. I just think Jackson didn't find the right balance. He would have sucked in those thirteen year olds no matter what. He didn't need to grab them by the throat. And the benefit would have been that he could have produced a more ... yes, artistic piece of work.
I could certainly have done without the dwarf tossing and skateboarding elf. I'd rather they left in the Uruk-Hai performing the Haka than that.

In fact, the Haka fitted in pretty well with the Uruk Hai.
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I say we occupy Endor.

.... what? That would be Endor's Game.
Yer sucha Card.
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I say, old Bean, there's no need for that.
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And you thought it was all made up, didn't you?

Well, well. Guess what?
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I'm so looking forward to this and very glad that Jackson rescued it got involved.

Funny, I don't even remember how they killed off Saruman in LOTR movie, though I thought the "Cleansing of the Shire" could have been included. Could have been some comic relief at the end of the movie. Better than the somber farewell at the boat dock.

I liked the dwarf tossing, but did find the "boarding Elf" too much.

One of my favorite clips from LOTR was, I think, cut out of the movie. At least I only recall it watching the extended version at home. It's where they are preparing to depart from Lothlorien and Galadriel is having them provisioned. Legolas is talking about the Lembas bread that they have.

Legolas: One small bite will fill the stomach of a grown man.

Merry: How many did you eat?

Pippin: Four.
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Dec 20 2011, 09:38 PM
Actually no screw that, let's see some Wheel of Time movies, huh?
How many 12, 13? :lol2:

I'd love to see Ender's Game in a movie.
Pfft.
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Dec 21 2011, 12:31 PM
I'd love to see Ender's Game in a movie.
Supposedly that's in the works. Card is planning to combine the Ender and Bean stories. THere's so much in the Bean arc that isn't in the Ender story that he thought combining the two would be a good idea.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1731141/

More here: http://www.avclub.com/articles/enders-game-movie-finds-its-ender,65398/
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Yes, I think it be cool to add the Bean stuff in too, I loved when we got the story from his perspective and seeing Ender through his eyes.
Pfft.
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