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Noonan on Newt
Topic Started: Dec 9 2011, 12:06 AM (585 Views)
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Interesting piece.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203413304577086824255350642.html
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yay.. i can't wait to read this.. i'll be back.
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well.. I think Noonan was a bit lost for words.. using 'harebrained'.. That was a word used for my character years ago. I really really really like Newt. I'm sure there are many who don't like him.

As i see it (and I am generally 'for' Obama), he is the only one with any chance to be taken seriously in spite of being harebrained in the GOP. The far right sure wielded their weapons too soon in this fight. GOD is not on their side anymore.

Noonan wrote... "Are they put off by his scandals? No. They think all politicians are scandalous." .. and that's what happens when the press gets too involvoed.

(volvo is the add above this reply box).
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i do too.

you have to wonder tho at the name 'Newt Gingrich'.. it is so odd.
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Dec 9 2011, 06:39 AM
you have to wonder tho at the name 'Newt Gingrich'.. it is so odd.
Why? "Newton" is his given name.

It's no odder than "Mitt," or Barry Barack.
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Dec 9 2011, 06:40 AM
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Dec 9 2011, 06:39 AM
you have to wonder tho at the name 'Newt Gingrich'.. it is so odd.
Why? "Newton" is his given name.

It's no odder than "Mitt," or Barry Barack.

No kidding.

It's time for a candidate with a real name.
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Dec 9 2011, 06:45 AM
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Dec 9 2011, 06:40 AM
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Dec 9 2011, 06:39 AM
you have to wonder tho at the name 'Newt Gingrich'.. it is so odd.
Why? "Newton" is his given name.

It's no odder than "Mitt," or Barry Barack.

No kidding.

It's time for a candidate with a real name.
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Dec 9 2011, 06:48 AM
Wouldn't Another John Adams be good about now?
I'd prefer a Samuel Adams about now, akshually, but it's only a quarter of nine, and I have to go to work in about an hour.
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"Newt - It's all true."

:lol:
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Granted, it's an opinion piece, so I'll cut slack. However, in the first half of the piece, there's not one fact that's supported. Not one.

It's not until you get to Sununu's comment that you hear something of substance - and that's another opinion, and then others, Coburn among them, pile on.

Then she talks about how he was part of cutting government, and people might be like that, despite the scandals.

Scandals? What scandals? They're not anywhere in her column. That's up for you to find, or at least accept her word for it.

I'd expect more from Noonan. Back up what you say, cite it, otherwise you're just blowing smoke.
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Wouldn't Another John Adams be good about now?
They are both very fine names.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Dec 9 2011, 07:19 AM
Granted, it's an opinion piece, so I'll cut slack. However, in the first half of the piece, there's not one fact that's supported. Not one.

It's not until you get to Sununu's comment that you hear something of substance - and that's another opinion, and then others, Coburn among them, pile on.

Then she talks about how he was part of cutting government, and people might be like that, despite the scandals.

Scandals? What scandals? They're not anywhere in her column. That's up for you to find, or at least accept her word for it.

I'd expect more from Noonan. Back up what you say, cite it, otherwise you're just blowing smoke.
George: What support did you want her to give? This? (from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich#Ethics_sanctions):

Ethics sanctions
Eighty-four ethics charges were filed against Speaker Gingrich during his term, including claiming tax-exempt status for a college course run for political purposes. Following an investigation by the House Ethics Committee Gingrich was sanctioned US$300,000 on a 395-28 House vote.[66] Gingrich acknowledged in January 1997 that "In my name and over my signature, inaccurate, incomplete and unreliable statements were given to the committee". [67] The House Ethics Committee concluded that inaccurate information supplied to investigators represented "intentional or ... reckless" disregard of House rules.[68] Special Counsel James M. Cole concluded that Gingrich violated federal tax law and had lied to the ethics panel in an effort to force the committee to dismiss the complaint against him. The full committee panel did not agree whether tax law had been violated[69] and left that issue up to the IRS.[70] In 1999, the IRS cleared the organizations connected with the "Renewing American Civilization" courses under investigation for possible tax violations.

or this?:

Resignation
Republicans lost five seats in the House in the 1998 elections—the worst midterm performance in 64 years for a party that didn't hold the presidency. Polls showed that Gingrich and the Republican Party's attempt to remove President Clinton from office was deeply unpopular among voters.[75] Gingrich suffered much of the blame for the election loss. Facing a rebellion in the Republican caucus, he announced on November 5, 1998 that he would not only stand down as Speaker, but would leave the House as well. Gingrich made this announcement only a day after being elected to an 11th term from his district. Commenting on his departure, Gingrich said, "I'm willing to lead but I'm not willing to preside over people who are cannibals. My only fear would be that if I tried to stay, it would just overshadow whoever my successor is."

And don't you think it's a big deal what his colleagues thought and think of him? Of course they are opinions, but aren't they important anyway, supported or not? The big question is why the people who know him best don't want him to be president. Personally, I love his last quote in the Resignation section above. I seem to remember the right complaining about Obama's self-regard, and they want to turn around and nominate this guy?

Regardless of the nominee, I've wondered why the Republicans are so jumpy this campaign season -- going from one to the next to the next -- especially when Obama is sure to lose, given the economy, and his obvious Marxist Socialism, or Socialist Marxism, or whatever it is, and Kenyan colonialism, and all the terrible personal and administration scandals that have been covered up by the lame stream media, his questionable birth status, his desperate need for teleprompters, and his failure to actually author his best-selling memoirs. Certainly when Newt faces off with him in a debate or two, the nation will realize that Obama is nothing but an empty suit, who can't think on his feet, doesn't know anything, isn't reasonable, calm, collected, thoughtful, and just made it through school, and only barely at that, due to affirmative action.

I can't understand what the Republicans are worried about. Every one of the potential nominees runs rings around this talentless, brainless, uncharismatic foreigner. Just pick someone already and set him, or her, free to beat Obama in a landslide next November. Why so jumpy?
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Dec 9 2011, 04:14 AM
I really really really like Newt.

...I am generally 'for' Obama...
Makes sense.
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Special Counsel James M. Cole concluded that Gingrich violated federal tax law and had lied to the ethics panel in an effort to force the committee to dismiss the complaint against him. The full committee panel did not agree whether tax law had been violated[69] and left that issue up to the IRS.In 1999, the IRS cleared the organizations connected with the "Renewing American Civilization" courses under investigation for possible tax violations.

The special counsel said he broke the law, but the committee deferred judgment to the IRS, which exonerated him. That never gets mentioned, does it?
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I seem to remember the right complaining about Obama's self-regard, and they want to turn around and nominate this guy?
I never said, nor has anyone else here, afaik, that Newt is humble. :lol2:

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Certainly when Newt faces off with him in a debate or two, the nation will realize that Obama is nothing but an empty suit, who can't think on his feet, doesn't know anything, isn't reasonable, calm, collected, thoughtful, and just made it through school, and only barely at that, due to affirmative action.

[axmode] Glad to see that you're beginning to understand. :blink: [/axmode]

So, his "problems" seem to be that he was cleared of an IRS violation, some colleagues don't like him (what was Harry Truman's comment about dogs in Washington?) and that the GOP lost 5 seats to the Democrats in 1998 (while still maintaining a majority). Do you consider Nancy Pelosi a failed Speaker as well? If not, why not?
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(Surprise!) Rand Paul's not a fan either:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20111209/OPINION01/312090025/Rand-Paul-Republicans-would-take-a-giant-step-backward-by-choosing-Gingrich
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Dec 9 2011, 08:37 AM
And that may be just the thing that gets him the ticket. All those people on the fence will gravitate towards him knowing that his fellow Republicans hate him. :lol2:
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Good point, NS. :lol2:
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Dec 9 2011, 06:40 AM
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you have to wonder tho at the name 'Newt Gingrich'.. it is so odd.
Why? "Newton" is his given name.

It's no odder than "Mitt," or Barry Barack.
But it's so Dr. Suess-y

if he were to be POTUS.. man the nick names he'd get.
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I never thought about it, but it is Seuss-y. :lol2:
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Dec 9 2011, 04:14 AM
The far right sure wielded their weapons too soon in this fight. GOD is not on their side anymore.
I hate to burst their bubble but God was never on their side.
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Dec 9 2011, 09:18 AM
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The far right sure wielded their weapons too soon in this fight. GOD is not on their side anymore.
I hate to burst their bubble but God was never on their side.
I sure hope God is an Independent. I'd shudder to think he was a Libertarian!
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So, his "problems" seem to be that he was cleared of an IRS violation, some colleagues don't like him (what was Harry Truman's comment about dogs in Washington?) and that the GOP lost 5 seats to the Democrats in 1998 (while still maintaining a majority). Do you consider Nancy Pelosi a failed Speaker as well? If not, why not?


I'm delighted to see you haven't lost your sense of humor! Setting aside Nancy Pelosi, who of course has nothing to do with Newt and isn't running for president to my knowledge, yes, I would consider it a very significant problem for the Republicans that Newt was found guilty by his colleagues of ethics violations so severe that he was forced to resign from the House, that the GOP lost 5 seats while a Republican wasn't in the White House, and that some (some? there's that sense of humor again!) of his colleagues don't like him, trust him or think he's fit to be president.

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The special counsel said he broke the law, but the committee deferred judgment to the IRS, which exonerated him. That never gets mentioned, does it?


That the IRS cleared his organization of tax evasion was mentioned in the very quote I cited for you. Never is a very short time indeed. Perhaps it's not mentioned enough that the Republicans were the majority in the House in 1998 (which is how Newt could be speaker) and the lopsided ethics vote tally couldn't exactly be a partisan witch hunt, despite Newt's protestations to the contrary.

Well, thanks for setting me straight. It's good to know that Newt doesn't have any problems. He will be a shoo-in come November.

Love ya, George.-DS
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Dec 9 2011, 09:31 AM
I sure hope God is an Independent. I'd shudder to think he was a Libertarian!
Naw, the Sky Toddler is a Libertine. A perusal of either The Bible or Koran will tell you that.
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God IS a Libertarian.

Free will and all that. ;)
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