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| Iran has film of captured US drone | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 8 2011, 11:21 AM (511 Views) | |
| somebody else's sock | Dec 8 2011, 11:21 AM Post #1 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16098562 |
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| KlavierBauer | Dec 8 2011, 11:25 AM Post #2 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Woops |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Kincaid | Dec 8 2011, 11:34 AM Post #3 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Embarrassing enough, but very embarrassing if the Iranians did commandeer it. I was hoping it was a trojan horse and when they got all the high ranking officials around it for the photo op it would go off. |
| Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006. | |
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| KlavierBauer | Dec 8 2011, 11:36 AM Post #4 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I'm surprised that's not built in as a counter-intelligence measure. They had to know that flying these things wirelessly, one of them, someday was going to get hacked. I'd be amazed that they wouldn't think to have a remote detonation charge of some sort in there. It's possible - but very unlikely that Iran is pulling the wool over the U.S.'s eyes. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| George K | Dec 8 2011, 11:37 AM Post #5 |
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Finally
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Wouldn't you think that the ...ahem...rocket scientists who designed this thing would have foreseen staunch an eventuality and put in sime kind of auto destruct thingie? |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| KlavierBauer | Dec 8 2011, 11:54 AM Post #6 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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That's what I'm saying. This sounds like a gimme. Full of all the wrong technology. It's important, because Iran has been purchasing drones on the black market, so if we can get them heading down another trail as a distraction that's a good thing. Also, stealing U.S. Military property may be a good reason to go in and do some damage. Lastly, how do we know this thing isn't just sitting there gathering intelligence? |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| KlavierBauer | Dec 8 2011, 11:55 AM Post #7 |
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There could totally be a miniature Jeff Goldblum and Will Smith in there uploading Stuxnet to the mothership.
Edited by KlavierBauer, Dec 8 2011, 11:55 AM.
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 8 2011, 12:04 PM Post #8 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Or it could be a total lie to save face and distract from the recent 'accidents'. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| kenny | Dec 8 2011, 12:29 PM Post #9 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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The odds we will learn the whole truth is ZERO. |
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| KlavierBauer | Dec 8 2011, 12:39 PM Post #10 |
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This statement always returns true. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Luke's Dad | Dec 8 2011, 01:08 PM Post #11 |
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Emperor Pengin
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So after the two hikers, this makes 3 US drones they've captured. |
| The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it. | |
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| Copper | Dec 8 2011, 01:17 PM Post #12 |
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Shortstop
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I assume Lockheed Martin would sell Iran all the drones they want. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| KlavierBauer | Dec 8 2011, 01:20 PM Post #13 |
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Copper: I don't know if Lockheed Martin does directly, but yes, Iran has purchased drones already. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Copper | Dec 8 2011, 01:26 PM Post #14 |
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Shortstop
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Am I being too cynical if I think this is all part of the reelection campaign? The failed assassination in DC, the Israeli attacks now this all leading to war just in time for the election. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Kincaid | Dec 8 2011, 01:26 PM Post #15 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I read that there are some kind of counter measures for at least burning up critical electronic components, but I don't know about trying to blow up the entire thing - would take a very large charge of explosives to blow into molecules and they'd still get a lot of info from charred pieces of wreckage. I thought another interesting idea would be to fly a drone that was completely radioactive and just let all the top Iranian scientists come in to check it out and then let nature take it's course. I can't believe it is a fake as wouldn't the U.S. come out with an immediate charge that it was? Seems like it would be hard to fake something like that. |
| Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006. | |
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| Kincaid | Dec 8 2011, 01:28 PM Post #16 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I think so, unless you also can believe that Obama's PR team is the so bad they can't get any traction with this stuff (well, unless Obama is trying to provoke a shooting war of some kind, which is also hard to swallow). |
| Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006. | |
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| Copper | Dec 8 2011, 01:45 PM Post #17 |
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Shortstop
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLT8UjF7ZYY |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| The 89th Key | Dec 8 2011, 01:49 PM Post #18 |
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| Steve Miller | Dec 8 2011, 09:10 PM Post #19 |
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Bull-Carp
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Absolutely. |
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Wag more Bark less | |
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| Klaus | Dec 9 2011, 02:32 AM Post #20 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I wonder how much money the Chinese or other countries would pay for that drone. Probably a lot. |
| Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman | |
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| PhJ | Dec 9 2011, 04:29 AM Post #21 |
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Senior Carp
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maybe they did, but thought that it could be hacked too, and be used against the U.S. ? Edited by PhJ, Dec 9 2011, 04:29 AM.
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| Kincaid | Dec 9 2011, 08:18 AM Post #22 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Would not be surprised to find that Russian or Chinese hackers were actually running the show in landing that thing. |
| Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006. | |
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| George K | Dec 9 2011, 08:32 AM Post #23 |
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http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-drone-virus-creech-air-force-base-2011-12 The Iranian video footage of the downed RQ-170 drone suggest that either Iran has one hell of a set of model builders or they somehow managed to compromise a highly secure US computer network. If it's the latter, it may be no coincidence that in October Noah Shactman broke a story out of Creech Air Force base exposing a widespread computer virus that had fully infected drone operations. Two months ago it was believed the drones most likely to suffer from such and attack would be Reapers or Predators, but the RQ-170s also fly out of Creech AFB. If the Iranians somehow breached the drone network and were able to reprogram the drone to make a gentle landing, in country, from 50,000 feet, it would be a military and engineering coup. The RQ-170 doesn't require an outside signal to fly or navigate, so the suggestion that the drones signal could have been jammed is not entirely likely. At the time, the Air Force downplayed the computer virus and explained it was merely a "keystroke logger" meaning it could have captured passwords and usernames of users and planes in the network. It also just as likely that Iran has put on display a very convincing RQ-170 model. It would not be the first time Tehran has created mock-ups of military hardware it aspires to call its own. Iran has been clamoring for Russian made S-300 surface-to-air missiles since 2005. So far, Russia has yet to deliver but that hasn't stopped Tehran from including these supposed S-300 launchers in Sunday's Army Day parade. DefenseTech points out they look to be more like 55-gallon drums welded together than like S-300 launchers pictured in the Russian parade below. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Renauda | Dec 9 2011, 11:02 AM Post #24 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Depends where the equipment was when it came under Iranian control. If it was inside Iranian airspace without the consent of the Iranians, it is neither theft or even hijacking. It is counterespionage. No casus belli there. |
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| Axtremus | Dec 9 2011, 11:20 AM Post #25 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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There lies the trade-off ... large charge means lots of weight, but drones are supposed to be small (to avoid detection) and light (to avoid having to carry lots of fuel because that would then make the aircraft bigger). Self-destruct mechanism that can be triggered remotely by us can also be hacked by others. So a large charge on a drone can also potentially turn that drone into a missile that others can hack and use against us. I don't think any of us would want to see a 9/11-style attack with hijackers controlling the explosive charge-packed drones from remote. Just strategically burning out sensitive electronics seems to be a more sensible safeguard. |
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