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| No wonder "occupy" protestors hate corporations; ...Exxon Mobil's CEO | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 6 2011, 06:52 AM (403 Views) | |
| The 89th Key | Dec 6 2011, 06:52 AM Post #1 |
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I was recently reading about this guy, now I know why all of the occupy protestors hate corporations like his!! This past summer, Rex Tillerson was CEO of the world's most valuable company, Exxon Mobil. He oversaw the company as it grew to this top position, and in the process, outsourced 700,000 jobs to China, many jobs which turned out to be in sweatshop-like conditions. He didn't allow unions within the company and shut down the company's charitable and philanthropic programs when he took the helm in the late 90's. At that time, when he decided to restructure and refocus the company, he fired over 3,000 employees. He's been known to yell, insult, and belittle his employees in front of others. Instead of a salary, he had the company buy him his own Gulfstream 5 jet. When he met Obama in 2010, he lectured Obama on how bad the US education system is and blamed the teacher unions as the key reason why education in this nation has been falling behind. Only one edit... . . . . Rex Tillerson = Steve Jobs Exxon Mobil = Apple |
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| jon-nyc | Dec 6 2011, 06:58 AM Post #2 |
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Cheers
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Two things about this... 1) as soon as I read it, i was calling bull**** since there's no way Exxon has significant operations in China. 2) the usage for Apple is a little unfair (though perhaps not technically incorrect) since its not like there were US jobs that were moved. |
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| garrett2 | Dec 6 2011, 06:59 AM Post #3 |
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Junior Carp
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I think that's two edits. What was that about education?
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 6 2011, 07:02 AM Post #4 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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I was calling BS immediately too because I knew Apple was the most valuable company. But the point is taken. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| jon-nyc | Dec 6 2011, 07:03 AM Post #5 |
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Cheers
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Is it really? What point is that? That pales in comparison to what one could actually write about an oil major. |
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| Dan | Dec 6 2011, 07:04 AM Post #6 |
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Senior Carp
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But he's dead now, and in line for sainthood. You'll just have to let go of the past 89... |
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 6 2011, 07:24 AM Post #7 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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The point is how someone could make the touch choices Jobs did and still be revered among those who think corporations are evil as if somehow Apple was immune to economic reality. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| John D'Oh | Dec 6 2011, 07:30 AM Post #8 |
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MAMIL
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The use of child labour, really bordering on slave labour, in China, is something we ought to find morally unacceptable, but frequently appear willing to overlook in our quest for affordable technology. If Jobs is guilty, then so is everyone who buys his stuff, myself included. |
| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| The 89th Key | Dec 6 2011, 07:33 AM Post #9 |
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Jon - my point? I'm nearly done with the Steve Jobs book. Hey, I admire much of what he's done for technology and how he went about it. I have nothing against Apple or Apple's products. I just find it funny that in so many of the images and videos of these anti-corporation protestors, that you'll see iPads, iPods, iPhones, iMacs, etc..... I know the point has been made before, but I wanted to give a different spin on it. Apple uses Chinese factories, aggressively demands lowers prices from suppliers, is anti-union, anti-philanthropy, lays off thousands of jobs in an instant, is the world's most valuable company, and one of Wall Street's darlings. I just find it funny that many in the OWS don't see the iRony. |
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| jon-nyc | Dec 6 2011, 07:59 AM Post #10 |
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Cheers
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Yeah, add that to the long list of reasons why OWS is incoherent. I still think as a slap at Apple it is strange - besides the outsourcing point I already made, the layoff thing is rather odd. Anyone here think there are fewer Apple employees in the USA today than when Jobs returned? |
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| The 89th Key | Dec 6 2011, 08:06 AM Post #11 |
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Jon, I'm not trying to "slap" apple. I don't have a problem with their practices, and respect/enjoy their products. I was just putting up a different spin on how all of those signs you see at OWS are held by people who are hypocritically using products made by the very type of corporation they protest. |
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 6 2011, 08:08 AM Post #12 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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In fairness to the OWS folks, it is not the existence of corporations they are protesting, but their behaviors. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Luke's Dad | Dec 6 2011, 03:34 PM Post #13 |
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Emperor Pengin
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I'd disagree with you there. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Dec 6 2011, 05:51 PM Post #14 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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Also, corporations are not their CEOs. That CEO X is a nice guy and has done charitable things for humanity does not mean his company should be given that credit. A small company where one guy's running the ship in a hands-on manner, sure, for all intents and purposes the company and the guy are acting as the same entity. But not for a large corporation where the executive managers only know of the company's details by means of summary reports. What you have in that case is a big damn mess even those with the most influence are only partially responsible for. |
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| LWpianistin | Dec 6 2011, 06:11 PM Post #15 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I have never owned an Apple product. I'm ok with that. |
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| 1hp | Dec 6 2011, 10:22 PM Post #16 |
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Fulla-Carp
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And that is? |
| There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those that understand binary and................ | |
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| jon-nyc | Dec 7 2011, 12:42 AM Post #17 |
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Cheers
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They've been known to cause a little environmental damage here and there. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Dec 7 2011, 01:08 AM Post #18 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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The Six- Step Environmental Damage and Remediation Process for Petroleum Companies 1) Damage the Environment by doing something stupid. This can be done by: a) hiring cheap ass contractors who don't know the regs; b) having dumb ass managers who didn't think to look them up before starting a project; or c) either rolling the dice or not giving a **** either way. 2) After the damage has occurred, choose one of the following: a) try to cover it up, or b) do nothing, then proceed to step 3. 3) Wait until the damage is discovered. 4) Once discovered, assemble your lawyers to prepare for the inevitable lawsuit, but at the same time begin the denial process. 4) At trial, deny everything and anything, looking for any and all legal loopholes to keep you from paying, or at least tying up the courts ad infinitum, hoping the state environmental lawyers don't have the budget to ride out the delays. 5) Once it becomes clear that a loss is inevitable in court, do the following: a) offer to settle, and haggle with the court to drop a portion of the money owed if the company agrees to a supplemental environment project to give a handful of deer a quarter acre strip of forest to hang out. b) use the money saved to fund a multi-media public PR campaign, touting the great environmental stewardship the company is following by taking it upon themselves to personally fund the quarter-acre strip where deer can hang out. Get a nice high-def closeup of a child feeding said deer. Neglect to mention the quarter-acre rehabilitation area was a mandatory project, brought on by being caught dumping billions of litres of toxic chemicals into the area's drinking water. 6) Proceed to Step 1, but in the case of getting too much negative press: a) Move your headquarters to a different state. b) Be sure to mention the next time you get caught that never in the history of the company has it ever been found guilty of environmental degradation in the state in which it has just moved to. |
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