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Amy Winehouse before drugs:; What a pretty girl, and what talent!
Topic Started: Dec 4 2011, 07:00 PM (1,861 Views)
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The thing about jazz is that what would be considered 'mainstream' differs massively between jazz and non-jazz fans. I would consider 1960's Miles Davis, Charles Mingus or John Coltrane to be completely mainstream, whereas someone who doesn't really listen to jazz would probably think of Glenn Miller or something, music which isn't really jazz at all. The bloke on the number 9 bus probably hasn't even heard of Mingus.
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Big Band is not Jazz?

I guess I don't listen to jazz based on your definition.

Mainstream in my world is what the masses consider "insert your genre here"
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I like Miles Davis a lot. I like John Coltrane a lot. This is mainstream? Huh. I thought mainstream was stuff like Lawrence Welk, Glenn Miller, big band music, etc.

I have a very eclectic taste in music.
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Dec 5 2011, 08:53 AM
I like Miles Davis a lot. I like John Coltrane a lot. This is mainstream? Huh. I thought mainstream was stuff like Lawrence Welk, Glenn Miller, big band music, etc.
I wouldn't consider that to be jazz, but swing. Duke Ellington or Count Basie I would call big band jazz.

The real cut-off for me is before and after Charlie Parker - i.e. modern jazz versus traditional, or swing. It's a bit like AD and BC with regard to religion, but obviously more important.
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Dec 4 2011, 08:51 PM
Where are the snows bands of yesteryear? Where are the musicians who write their own songs? Where are the well-written lyrics? The great guitar-picking or piano-playing?
Art moves forward, always.

People stopped asking where are the carefully crafted counterpoints and where are the instrumentalists who write their own sonatas long ago.
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Aqua, applying the _ubi sunt_ trope to popular music is really beneath you. :lol2:
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Dec 4 2011, 07:00 PM
I had only heard Amy Winehouse on the one big hit she had, recognized she had talent, but didn't realize how much.

What an absolute WASTE - before the drugs and alcohol got her, she was actually a very pretty girl. And man, what a talent. Listen to her version of the Beatles' "All My Lovin"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FiQnrRT16s&feature=endscreen&NR=1

OMFG. :puke:
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Nice rack though.
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You don't like that kind of jazz, Mark? :D

I do. It's earthy, almost a language. She spoke that language almost instinctively, until she fried herself on drugs.

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She owes a lot to Rickie Lee Jones.
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She doesn't do much for me, either. Lots of people who know about music say she was very gifted, so it must be true, however her voice leaves me cold.
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Etta James/I'd Rather Go Blind
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Dec 5 2011, 01:19 PM
Amy Winehouse/I'd rather go deaf. :P
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Amy Winehouse/I'd rather go deaf. :P
Not sure I follow you, but I wasn't clear to start with. I think Winehouse took a great deal from Etta James and other R&B singers from the 50's, whereas I have no reason to believe she ever heard a note of Ricki Lee Jones, and if she did, that she incorporated anything of Jones into her style. The white progenitor, if any, seems to be Janis Joplin, who similarly took from black artists, made more money than the black artists, was never truly accepted by them, and crashed and burned (at the same age!) due to the stresses of the success they evidently didn't feel they'd earned. And all the dope.
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Rod Stewart did a nice version as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22IWhxwdBLQ
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Dec 5 2011, 01:34 PM
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Amy Winehouse/I'd rather go deaf. :P
Not sure I follow you, but I wasn't clear to start with. I think Winehouse took a great deal from Etta James and other R&B singers from the 50's, whereas I have no reason to believe she ever heard a note of Ricki Lee Jones, and if she did, that she incorporated anything of Jones into her style. The white progenitor, if any, seems to be Janis Joplin, who similarly took from black artists, made more money than the black artists, was never truly accepted by them, and crashed and burned (at the same age!) due to the stresses of the success they evidently didn't feel they'd earned. And all the dope.
There is some phrasing that I associate with RLJ in there, who of course borrowed from all sorts of earlier folks and came up with her own style, as they do. I like Winehouse myself, although that particular Beatles song did not pluck my emotional strings.
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Dec 5 2011, 01:41 PM
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Amy Winehouse/I'd rather go deaf. :P
Not sure I follow you, but I wasn't clear to start with. I think Winehouse took a great deal from Etta James and other R&B singers from the 50's, whereas I have no reason to believe she ever heard a note of Ricki Lee Jones, and if she did, that she incorporated anything of Jones into her style. The white progenitor, if any, seems to be Janis Joplin, who similarly took from black artists, made more money than the black artists, was never truly accepted by them, and crashed and burned (at the same age!) due to the stresses of the success they evidently didn't feel they'd earned. And all the dope.
There is some phrasing that I associate with RLJ in there, who of course borrowed from all sorts of earlier folks and came up with her own style, as they do. I like Winehouse myself, although that particular Beatles song did not pluck my emotional strings.
I like Winehouse well enough. Rehab is a striking song -- one of those tunes that makes you pull over to the side of the road the first time you hear it on the radio. (Another, for me, was People Who Died by Jim Carroll. I believe I actually gaped, slack-jawed, listening to that one.) The song had both the challenge and the advantage of sounding like absolutely nothing that was then on the radio. As for RLJ, I listened to the first album a lot. However, 20 years ago or so I went with my wife to her concert and it was the single most boring concert I have ever attended (with the exception noted below). The self-regard was absurd. She chastised people in the crowd for talking. Hell, they were just attempting to amuse themselves in the wake of her spectacular failure to do so. I haven't listened to her since.

p.s. The ultimate boredom -- James Taylor at Tanglewood. I felt like a mouse in a glue trap. How so many terrific players can do so little remains a mystery. Even my mother-in-law, who wished she'd had babies with JT, fell asleep. Lucky her. I tried to liven things up by setting myself aflame and streaking around the shed. Everyone was too enervated to notice.
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
James T is getting old.. but it's hard for me to imagine him giving a boring concert. Glad I wasn't there to see it...
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Dec 5 2011, 01:58 PM
People Who Died by Jim Carroll.
Oh wow, I haven't heard that in years. Agree with you, that was something pretty special.

Also agree about RLJ. I liked her stuff, had an album, then made the mistake of going to a live concert. Don't think I every put that record on again.

As for James Taylor, I still would have liked to have had his babies, but have never seen him live, just snippets of concerts on tv. Perhaps I should just leave it at that, eh? :biggrin:
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Dec 5 2011, 01:58 PM
I felt like a mouse in a glue trap.
:lol2: That is a fabulous visual.
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All music is good...to those who like it...and bad...to those who don't like it.

It's not the music, it's the person.

It is arrogant to think otherwise.
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People Who Died was the most New York song ever. Totally original.

My experience seeing RLJ was totally the opposite. She clearly had a lot of self-regard, but was warm and entertaining in a difficult venue. She was the co-headliner with Lyle Lovett, so a lot of country fans were there. When she started they had no idea what to make of her and clearly were unfamiliar with her music. When a lot of the county fans left she invited everyone else to come down into the front seats, which had NEVER happened at Riverbend (shed circuit) and security did not prevent it. It was a very good show.

For an oldie with a great show go see Paul Simon. Saw him in 2007 or 8 up in Chicago at the Rosemount. Best. Band. Ever. They, and he, were absolutely incredible. Such musicianship.
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Dec 5 2011, 02:20 PM
All music is good...to those who like it...and bad...to those who don't like it.

It's not the music, it's the person.

It is arrogant to think otherwise.
Yeah, tell that to all those people who trashed my Foreigner thread!
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Not YOUR music, NS. Jeez. Be reasonable.
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