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| Do we *really* need a Postal Service? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 4 2011, 05:37 PM (602 Views) | |
| George K | Dec 4 2011, 05:37 PM Post #1 |
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Finally
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/sunday-review/the-junking-of-the-postal-service.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all
Would its abolition require a Constitutional amendment? |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| jon-nyc | Dec 4 2011, 05:38 PM Post #2 |
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Cheers
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It might, but forcing itself to price its services according to cost wouldn't. |
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 4 2011, 06:02 PM Post #3 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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There you go. I have no problem with the postal service as long as it is self-supporting. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Copper | Dec 4 2011, 06:28 PM Post #4 |
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Shortstop
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Yes, yes and no. It may outlive its utility someday, but not yet. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| RosemaryTwo | Dec 4 2011, 06:34 PM Post #5 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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It's like le petit prince moving rocks for the sake of the routine. I walk to the mailbox; I walk to the recying bin. Over and over. |
| "Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua | |
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| Newpianoplayer | Dec 4 2011, 06:36 PM Post #6 |
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Senior Carp
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We don't have weekend, holiday delivery. |
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| Copper | Dec 4 2011, 06:38 PM Post #7 |
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Shortstop
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Remember when we had two home mail deliveries per day, and two newspapers - morning and evening? |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| kenny | Dec 4 2011, 06:39 PM Post #8 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Stop delivering to far out rural addresses. I read in LA Times or maybe it was CNN that these expensive low-density locations are why UPS and FedEx declined taking over US mail delivery. Services like cable TV, water, gas, sewage are not available to far out rural locations either. If you expect those you don't move out to the sticks. Why should snail mail mail be a unique right of all? |
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| George K | Dec 4 2011, 06:41 PM Post #9 |
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Finally
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Could be. But do you want to discriminate a government service based on how far away you might live? Who knows what discrimination will be next. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| John D'Oh | Dec 5 2011, 05:55 AM Post #10 |
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MAMIL
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If they don't discriminate, then they can't compete fairly, in which case forcing them to be profitable is tantamount to forcing them out of business, which is a rather stupid thing to do in my opinion. It would basically be saying that it's preferable to have no postal service to having one that is competitive. Maybe the private couriers should be legislated against to ensure that they take the unprofitable areas as well? (That should make some conservative heads explode) |
| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| kenny | Dec 5 2011, 08:54 AM Post #11 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Good point, but we have to ask what kind of old fashioned stuff all Americans will always have a right to regardless of cost in a changing world. I think everyone should have the right to pay taxes. ![]() Hey I know, let's raise taxes on the rural folks who cost the US Postal system more. Then lower taxes on people who are cheaper to deliver to, like those who live in high rises in Manhattan where 1000 addresses have ONE drop off in the lobby. Or, change the stamp system so a first class letter to cheap locations will get a cheaper stamp. These are both more fair than pretending all service costs the same regardless of location, as if equal cost for service with varying cost was some civil rights thing.
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| Axtremus | Dec 5 2011, 09:01 AM Post #12 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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If it's "profitable," tons of private companies would do it. If it is not profitable, then no private company would want to do it (at least not for long). If it's unprofitable and "essential" (hence needs to be around for a long time), it becomes a "public service" (or at least state-sponsored) because no private company would want to do it on their own. |
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 5 2011, 09:12 AM Post #13 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Let's tax the hell out of childless people since our kids are going to be paying their retirement benefits. Besides, they don't have kids so they don't need the money anyway. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| kenny | Dec 5 2011, 09:14 AM Post #14 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Is snail mail still essential? THAT is the question. I imagine people who can't afford a computer think it is. Next, would it be cheaper to keep the US Postal Service as it is or give these poor people a computer and training on how to get email. Calm down Larry, this may be cheaper. |
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| Axtremus | Dec 5 2011, 09:25 AM Post #15 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Already, childless people are paying more taxes because they not qualify for child tax credit and cannot claim extra exemptions for dependent children. |
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| JBryan | Dec 5 2011, 10:08 AM Post #16 |
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I am the grey one
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We also pay through the nose on our property taxes for school systems that will never be of any use to us. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| kenny | Dec 5 2011, 10:11 AM Post #17 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I disagree. I have no kids but do not want to live where zillions of adults got no education when they were kids, and home schooling give me the creeps. I'm glad to fund public schools; people are stupid enough already. |
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| JBryan | Dec 5 2011, 10:16 AM Post #18 |
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I am the grey one
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What are you disagreeing with? I have no problem with paying for it. I am just pointing out that there is more than one way that wealth is transferred from one generation to another. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| kenny | Dec 5 2011, 10:22 AM Post #19 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Quote, "We also pay through the nose on our property taxes for school systems that will never be of any use to us." I believe the public school system IS of use to us even if you don't have kids or are rich enough for private schools. Imperfect as it is, imagine our country if there were no public school system. |
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| JBryan | Dec 5 2011, 10:27 AM Post #20 |
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I am the grey one
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You have some reason for picking a fight with me where there is no disagreement? Quoting me out of context does not create one. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| kenny | Dec 5 2011, 10:28 AM Post #21 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Huh? I read it all again and . . . huh? |
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| JBryan | Dec 5 2011, 10:33 AM Post #22 |
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I am the grey one
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Let me put it this way. I do not disagree with anything you said except for the bit about home schooling which you dislike because you find it "creepy" and not because of any hard metric as to its performance. But that is beside the point anyway. Public schools will never be of any use to me but that does not mean I oppose them, nor do I oppose paying for them. Read what I wrote in the context of the actual discussion at hand. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 5 2011, 10:40 AM Post #23 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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But you have SO MUCH! Surely we should have more of it for the common good. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| kenny | Dec 5 2011, 10:44 AM Post #24 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Okay. And I argue that public schools ARE of use to you. Image your life if they did not exist. Most Americans would be more stupid. Businesses would suffer. Poverty would be rampant and crime would skyrocket. The educated wealthy would live behind barbed wire gated communities. America would become a third world country. I believe that you would be affected if a huge percentage of the citizens of your country had no education and the middle class of America vanished. |
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| JBryan | Dec 5 2011, 10:46 AM Post #25 |
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I am the grey one
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I am probably in Jon's top 10% who own 40% of the wealth since the top 1% make $500,000.00 or more. If that makes me wealthy, however, it is lost on me. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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