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Obama Sets Record
Topic Started: Nov 29 2011, 08:31 PM (309 Views)
Jolly
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http://floppingaces.net/2011/11/29/worst-president-ever/
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Let's see if this headlines the NBC Nightly News... :rolleyes:
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Aqua Letifer
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At this particular stage of his term.

Modern political history.

Sounds like the title has as much credence to it now as it did when those posters started showing up a good month.5 after he was elected.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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jon-nyc
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Call me when he approaches Bush's lows.
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John D'Oh
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jon-nyc
Nov 30 2011, 04:50 AM
Call me when he approaches Bush's lows.
Au contraire, mon ami. Bush was unpopular precisely because he was such a good president. He made Decisions of Difficulty! Obama, on the other hand, is unpopular because he's the Worst President Evah, like in 3 years or so!
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jon-nyc
Nov 30 2011, 04:50 AM
Call me when he approaches Bush's lows.
At this point in his first term, Bush (II) was at 55%. At this point in his second term, he wasn't running for re-election.
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According to Gallup, here are the job approval numbers for other presidents at this stage of their terms, a year before the re-election campaign:

-- Harry S. Truman: 54 percent.

-- Dwight Eisenhower: 78 percent.

-- Lyndon B. Johnson: 44 percent.

-- Richard M. Nixon: 50 percent.

-- Ronald Reagan: 54 percent.

-- George H.W. Bush: 52 percent.

-- Bill Clinton: 51 percent.

-- George W. Bush: 55 percent.

Granted we're still 11 months away from the elections, an eternity, and things could change.
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What needs to be remembered is that in order to get re-elected all he needs to do is suck less than the other bloke.
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George K
Nov 30 2011, 05:51 AM
jon-nyc
Nov 30 2011, 04:50 AM
Call me when he approaches Bush's lows.
At this point in his first term, Bush (II) was at 55%. At this point in his second term, he wasn't running for re-election.
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According to Gallup, here are the job approval numbers for other presidents at this stage of their terms, a year before the re-election campaign:

-- Harry S. Truman: 54 percent.

-- Dwight Eisenhower: 78 percent.

-- Lyndon B. Johnson: 44 percent.

-- Richard M. Nixon: 50 percent.

-- Ronald Reagan: 54 percent.

-- George H.W. Bush: 52 percent.

-- Bill Clinton: 51 percent.

-- George W. Bush: 55 percent.

Granted we're still 11 months away from the elections, an eternity, and things could change.
Call me when he approaches Bush's lows.


Ah, but I repeat myself.
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George K
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I think Jolly's post was that at this point in his first term when he's running for re-election, Obama's approvals are the worst of any president in post WWII history.
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President Obama’s slow ride down Gallup’s daily presidential job approval index has finally passed below Jimmy Carter, earning Obama the worst job approval rating of any president at this stage of his term in modern political history.

Sorry for shouting, but I think you missed the point. :lol2:

But, with any luck, we won't be able to see if BHO approaches Bush's lows in his second term. :hat:
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Jolly
Nov 29 2011, 08:31 PM
Per the conversation the other day - anyone who would call Obama 'the worst president ever' is supremely ignorant.
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George K
Nov 30 2011, 06:18 AM
I think Jolly's post was...
Yeah, but you weren't responding to Jolly's post. You were responding to mine.
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Just curious, has any other postwar president inherited 8% unemployment from his predecessor?
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I just checked, the answer is no.
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George K
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jon-nyc
Nov 30 2011, 06:19 AM
George K
Nov 30 2011, 06:18 AM
I think Jolly's post was...
Yeah, but you weren't responding to Jolly's post. You were responding to mine.
Context is everything. You were responding to Jolly's post, and my point, and the point of the article in Jolly's post (which you still miss, apparently) is that no president in his first term, has had an approval rating lower than Obama in recent (60 year) history). Did you read the article linked in Jolly's blogpost, or are you just reacting to the title of the thread?

Using your logic, I can easily say that Bush's approval ratings were higher than Obama's have ever been. Show me where Obama reached a 90% approval rating.

I'll wait.
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You can go ahead and say that, and that's fine. I don't see what your point is.


My point to Jolly was really the same as ALs - namely I was pointing out how meaningless the constraint 'at this point' really is. After all, what President was handed 8% unemployment by his predecessor? None since FDR.
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Whether or not you think Obama is the worst President evah (I would say "no"), there's no denying he's been an incredible disappointment, and he has to assume the responsibility for this. He overpromised and underdelivered. 8% unemployment is a terrible burden to inherit, but his administration is going to pass an even worse burden on to the next President.
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Nov 30 2011, 07:05 AM
there's no denying he's been an incredible disappointment
For those who believed his sh!t, undoubtedly.

Personally, I think if there'd been a better leader, we'd still be deep in the doo-doo. Maybe not quite as bad, but I'm not convinced there's a whole lot he could have done - this disaster's been a long time coming. I suspect John McCain would have been equally crap, and at least we haven't had to put up with Sarah Palin's home-spun wisdom. I've managed to completely ignore the enormously annoying Joe Biden.
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jon-nyc
Nov 30 2011, 06:54 AM
You can go ahead and say that, and that's fine. I don't see what your point is.


Obviously.
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My point to Jolly was really the same as ALs - namely I was pointing out how meaningless the constraint 'at this point' really is.
And yet you want to compare approval ratings at different times during the respective administration. Let me ask you, which is a more fair assessment of how a president is doing: one that has completed his term or one who is only 3/4 of the way through his first? Is it fair to say that Mik did a worse job after 8 years when Jolly has only had three?
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After all, what President was handed 8% unemployment by his predecessor? None since FDR.

Well, since you want to blame the Bush unemployment record (which happened in the last 6 months of his presidency, I might add) for Obama's low approval ratings, I'll point out Reagan had 7.5% - it took 2 years to reverse that.

Obama has had three, with little sign of it changing.
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George K
Nov 30 2011, 07:16 AM
I'll point out Reagan had 7.5% - it took 2 years to reverse that.
Actually it took almost the full four years for unemployment to drop below where it was when he was inaugurated.

Having said that, I would argue the first derivative matters more than the number (within reason of course).

Carter inherited 7.5, and was at 7.5 when he lost the election. However, in between it had gone down and then was heading back up when the music stopped (Nov 80).


Reagan inherited 7.5 and had 7.2 at his reelection 4 years later. Not a big delta on the surface, but it hit 10.8% a couple of years into his term, so the delta from 10.8 to 7.2 is dramatic.

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He won the Nobel Prize and he is historic.

The rest is noise.

And he is a 2-bit thug.
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