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Overwhelmingly White!; The Tea Party?
Topic Started: Nov 27 2011, 06:05 AM (371 Views)
Mikhailoh
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Nope. OWS. Thus saith WaPo anyway. Literally.

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Why African Americans aren’t embracing Occupy Wall Street

View Photo Gallery — November 2011: The movement, which started Sept. 17 with a few dozen demonstrators who tried to pitch tents in front of the New York Stock Exchange, has spread to cities around the world.

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By Stacey Patton, Published: November 25

Occupy Wall Street might seem like a movement that would resonate with black Americans. After all, unemployment among African Americans is at 15 percent, vs. almost 8 percent for whites. And between 2005 and 2009, black households lost just over half of their median net worth compared with white families, who lost 16 percent, according to the Pew Research Center.

However, these numbers have not translated into action. A few prominent African Americans, such as Cornel West, Russell Simmons, Kanye West and Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), have made appearances at Occupy protests. “Occupy the Hood,” a recent offshoot, has tried to get more people of color involved. But the main movement remains overwhelmingly white: A Fast Company survey last month found that African Americans, who are 12.6 percent of the U.S. population, make up only 1.6 percent of Occupy Wall Street.

African Americans share white Americans’ anger about corporate greed and corruption, and blacks have a rich history of protesting injustice in United States. So why aren’t they Occupying?

“Occupy Wall Street was started by whites and is about their concern with their plight,” Nathalie Thandiwe, a radio host and producer for WBAI in New York, said in an interview. “Now that capitalism isn’t working for ‘everybody,’ some are protesting.”

From America’s birthing pains to the civil rights protests of the 1960s, blacks have never been afraid to fight for economic or social justice. Crispus Attucks, a former slave and the first person killed by British soldiers in the Boston Massacre of 1770, is considered the first martyr of the American Revolution. Frederick Douglass, a slave turned abolitionist, stressed in the 19th century that black and white laborers’ fortunes and freedom were intertwined, saying that white labor “was robbed” of fair wages so long as it competed with unpaid black slaves.

In 1969, James Forman, former executive secretary of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), a civil rights organization, called on blacks to not perpetuate capitalism or contribute to the exploitation of blacks in the United States and elsewhere. He urged black workers to take over America by sabotaging U.S. factories and ports “while the brothers fight guerrilla warfare in the street.” And Huey Newton and the Black Panther Party renounced the American Dream as defective and called for the destruction of the capitalist system.

Blacks have historically suffered the income inequality and job scarcity that the Wall Street protesters are now railing against. Perhaps black America’s absence is sending a message to the Occupiers: “We told you so! Nothing will change. We’ve been here already. It’s hopeless.”

While the black press and civil rights groups such as the NAACP and the National Urban League were critical to past protest movements, black churches were the organizational force behind the rhetoric. Church leaders mobilized famous names and unsung heroes to end segregation through meetings, marches, demonstrations, boycotts and sit-ins. But where is the church now?


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But......But..... That can't possibly be! I've been told repeatedly on here when I brought it up that OWS was much more culturally diverse than the Tea Party (whose demographics actuall match US demographics much as far as race http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/tea-partiers-fairly-mainstream-demographics.aspx )
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Looks to me like WaPo did some disingenuous cherry picking when writing that article. This is from Fast Survey's website, apparently referencing the same survey, which, btw was taken on a very small sampling.

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Students are a big contingent at Zuccotti Park and other occupations. But a new study shows that online support crosses age, income and political boundaries. Look out for the rich, nonpartisan mobs.
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Some of the results are to be expected. For example about 64% of respondents are younger than 34. But others back up the assertion made in the title of the report “Main Stream Support for a Mainstream Movement: The 99% Movement Comes From and Looks Like the 99%.” . .

They aren’t all kids. Xers, Boomers, and older are also in on it: One-third of respondents is older than 35, and one-fifth is 45 or older.

It’s not all students and the educated elite. About 8% have, at best, a high school degree. And just about a quarter (26.7%) are enrolled in school. Only about 10% are full-time students.

“Get a job!” wouldn’t apply to most of them. Half of the respondents are already employed full-time, and an additional 20% work part-time. Just 13.1% are unemployed--not a whole lot more than the national average.

“Tax the rich!” could hit close to home. About 15% earn between $50,000 and $80,000 annually (pretty good anywhere except in Manhattan). Thirteen percent earn over $75,000 annually, and nearly 2% bring in more than $150,000.

It may be a party, but not that kind. The movement is often identified as a liberal, even Democrat-dominated cause. But just 27.3% of respondents call themselves Democrats (and 2.4% are Republican). And the rest, 70% call themselves independents.
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And so far, according to the survey, Occupy Wall Street would qualify as stuff white people like. The sample of non-white people, according to Schultz, is too small to even analyze. One thing he noticed, however, is that some people identify with nationality, rather than race--another item to keep in mind for target marketing. And in the vein, the organizers have been discussing doing a “non-white media day,” in which everyone who speaks to the media is of another ethnic background. They have also discussed doing an over-40 day.

On a personal note, I have noticed plenty of both at the park and the marches.


Plus, its influence is spilling over into black communities: Occupy Harlem

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Mikhailoh
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They already occupy Harlem. :lol2:

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36.7% are going to school and half are employed full-time.

Uh, yeah.
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Mikhailoh
Nov 27 2011, 01:27 PM
They already occupy Harlem. :lol2:

haha. Not as much as they used to. Even Harlem real estate is getting scooped up by the wealthy.
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And that is worse than in the 70s and 80s when the city had to take ownership of 70% of it? How much of that property do you think was owned by the residents?
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Mikhailoh
Nov 27 2011, 06:05 AM
Nope. OWS. Thus saith WaPo anyway. Literally.

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But where is the church now?


1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.”
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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kathyk
Nov 27 2011, 06:17 PM
Mikhailoh
Nov 27 2011, 01:27 PM
They already occupy Harlem. :lol2:

haha. Not as much as they used to. Even Harlem real estate is getting scooped up by the wealthy.
Apparently you have never been to Harlem.
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Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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And have you lately?

Blacks no longer majority in Harlem - gentrification

Edited by kathyk, Nov 27 2011, 06:52 PM.
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http://www.zillow.com/local-info/NY-New-York/Harlem-home-value/r_195267/#metric=mt%3D34%26dt%3D1%26tp%3D6%26rt%3D8%26r%3D195267%252C270958%252C270957%252C198687%26el%3D0
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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kathyk
Nov 27 2011, 06:49 PM
Not lately but I am willing to bet I have been there far more often than you have or most everyone on this board, for that matter.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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jon-nyc
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Did you used to come to NYC a lot, JB?
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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JBryan
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yes, I did. It was quite a while ago so I am sure a lot has changed but probably not so much I wouldn't recognize it. My wife really wants to see NYC and one of these days I will have to accomodate her. I have a close friend who grew up in Bridgeport and Harlem was really his stomping grounds. My wife and I have been talking about meeting him up in NYC some time in the future for a visit. I haven't seen him in a long time.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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If you make your way up here, by all means let me know.
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JBryan
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I certainly will.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Nov 28 2011, 04:54 AM
kathyk
Nov 27 2011, 06:49 PM
Not lately but I am willing to bet I have been there far more often than you have or most everyone on this board, for that matter.
Apparently not often or recent enough to know that blacks no longer represent the majority of the population.
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JBryan
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That was true when I was going there. there are a great number of Hispanics in the area. From your article:

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Change has been even more pronounced in the narrow north-south corridor defined as central Harlem, which planners roughly define as north of 110th Street between Fifth and St. Nicholas Avenues.

There, blacks account for 6 in 10 residents, but native-born African-Americans born in the United States make up barely half of all residents. Since 2000, the proportion of whites living there has more than doubled, to more than one in 10 residents — the highest since the 1940s. The Hispanic population, which was concentrated in East Harlem, is now at an all-time high in central Harlem, up 27 percent since 2000.


This is pretty much what I would have always roughly associated with the Black part of Harlem. Spanish Harlem was south of 110th as recall. The white population is still only 10% north of 110th which is no where near a majority.

Harlem is and never has been quite what most people outside of NYC would expect or have been led to believe.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Nov 28 2011, 10:26 AM
Harlem is and never has been quite what most people outside of NYC would expect or have been led to believe.
I've always assumed it was as portrayed in the James Bond movie 'Live and Let Die', which I reckon is pretty much definitive as a tourist guide of the area.
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Nov 28 2011, 10:41 AM
I've always assumed it was as portrayed in the James Bond movie 'Live and Let Die', which I reckon is pretty much definitive as a tourist guide of the area.

Blaxploitation!

http://www.imagesjournal.com/issue04/features/blaxploitation4.htm
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