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Hitler won't be going home.
Topic Started: Nov 24 2011, 06:30 PM (439 Views)
Jolly
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Geaux Tigers!
Neither will his brother, Hons...

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/22/8952917-parents-of-adolf-hitler-campbell-lose-custody-of-newborn-hons#comments
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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ivorythumper
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its far worse for the state to take the children than for the parents to give the children odious names.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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jon-nyc
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Yeah, but we don't really know much about why they took the kids - all they said is 'violence in the home'.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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hons? that is a weird name... Is there any significance? The mom needs to brush her teeth or something.

kind of sad.. the precedence of violence tho.
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Jolly
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"Violence in the home" can be anything the state deems it to be.

Seems to me if the state really had something, they'd have trotted it out by now.
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the state meddling can be as troublesome as compromised children.Son #2 almost went into protective custody after his burns. I had to throw a fit to insist that he be in a hospital and not a shelter. it worked but i am fortunately reserved and articulate. I was up against a wall of bigotry.

That said, the parents need to invest in some shampoo or something.
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LWpianistin
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HOLY CARP!!!
I want to know why they'd name their kids like that.
And how are you today?
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John D'Oh
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LWpianistin
Nov 25 2011, 06:59 AM
I want to know why they'd name their kids like that.
Because they're moronic assholes who use their own children to make childish and pointless demonstrations in a vain and pathetic attempt to overcome their own impotence in a society where they don't really belong.

You need a licence for a dog, but not for a child.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Renauda
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HOLY CARP!!!
John D'Oh
Nov 25 2011, 07:24 AM
LWpianistin
Nov 25 2011, 06:59 AM
I want to know why they'd name their kids like that.
Because they're moronic assholes who use their own children to make childish and pointless demonstrations in a vain and pathetic attempt to overcome their own impotence in a society where they don't really belong.

You need a licence for a dog, but not for a child.
Hence justifiable state intervention.
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ivorythumper
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jon-nyc
Nov 25 2011, 01:35 AM
Yeah, but we don't really know much about why they took the kids - all they said is 'violence in the home'.
That's where "due process" comes in. If the state can't take your life liberty or property without due process, what claim does it have on your children?
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Renauda
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By the time the due process runs its course, the kids could be either maimed or dead.

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ivorythumper
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Renauda
Nov 25 2011, 10:10 AM
By the time the due process runs its course, the kids could be either maimed or dead.

Nope. All it takes is for a judge to issue a temporary removal order given sufficient cause. The police took the children without a court order.

Furthermore, if there is evidence of a crime, the police or DA should charge them and then place the children in protective custody.

All of that comes under "due process" -- kidnapping children even when done by the state does not.
Edited by ivorythumper, Nov 25 2011, 10:35 AM.
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Renauda
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Fine, that's the way you see it. But the kids are out of the house. The rest doesn't matter as far as I am concerned. I would applaud a similar action if were to have happened here- in fact it does happen and I support such unilateral state actions when the safety and well being of children are concerned.

No big deal- have at it. It happened in the US. None of my concern.
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When listening to conflicting stories you have to ask yourself 'who do I trust more, the child welfare department or two people who called their child 'Adolf Hitler''.
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John D'Oh
Nov 25 2011, 11:44 AM
When listening to conflicting stories you have to ask yourself 'who do I trust more, the child welfare department or two people who called their child 'Adolf Hitler''.
That is a difficult choice. I generally have to side with parents over civil servant crusaders -- especially when the latter ignore Constitutional due process and legal requirements for court orders.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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John D'Oh
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There's more than a tinge of irony about a couple of neo-Nazis complaining about abuse of power by the State.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Now behave, it's the law, you know.
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John D'Oh
Nov 25 2011, 02:13 PM
There's more than a tinge of irony about a couple of neo-Nazis complaining about abuse of power by the State.
You should actually read the article. Esp the last sentence.
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Last sentence.

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The Campbells have denied that they are neo-Nazis.


Maybe they're the old fashioned, unreconstructed, paleo-Nazis.
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jon-nyc
Nov 25 2011, 02:53 PM
Last sentence.

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The Campbells have denied that they are neo-Nazis.


Maybe they're the old fashioned, unreconstructed, paleo-Nazis.
:lol2:
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Nope. All it takes is for a judge to issue a temporary removal order given sufficient cause. The police took the children without a court order.


Actually you or Renauda could be right; it all depends on how the state has written its child protection laws. It's incredibly variable.

Some states favor parental rights so much, as Renauda said, the kids are dead or permanently damaged by the time the state steps foot in the house. Others are so sensitive that you could have social workers take temporary custody over your kids over a black eye from a hopped up grounder playing catch out back.

Impossible to say without knowing the particular state.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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jon-nyc
Nov 25 2011, 02:53 PM
Last sentence.

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The Campbells have denied that they are neo-Nazis.


Maybe they're the old fashioned, unreconstructed, paleo-Nazis.
:lol2:
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jon-nyc
Nov 25 2011, 01:35 AM
Yeah, but we don't really know much about why they took the kids - all they said is 'violence in the home'.
There are few ways how parents can be more violent than by calling their child Adolf Hitler. This is much worse than heavy beatings. They have demonstrated once and for all that they are unfit to be parents, and every alternative the childs have is likely better than staying with their parents.
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John D'Oh
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ivorythumper
Nov 25 2011, 02:48 PM
John D'Oh
Nov 25 2011, 02:13 PM
There's more than a tinge of irony about a couple of neo-Nazis complaining about abuse of power by the State.
You should actually read the article. Esp the last sentence.
Yes, I'd seen that. I thought the last sentence rather implied they were either liars or possibly clinically insane. I can't think of another reason for calling my son 'Adolf Hitler' :lol:
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ivorythumper
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Aqua Letifer
Nov 25 2011, 02:58 PM
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Nope. All it takes is for a judge to issue a temporary removal order given sufficient cause. The police took the children without a court order.


Actually you or Renauda could be right; it all depends on how the state has written its child protection laws. It's incredibly variable.

Some states favor parental rights so much, as Renauda said, the kids are dead or permanently damaged by the time the state steps foot in the house. Others are so sensitive that you could have social workers take temporary custody over your kids over a black eye from a hopped up grounder playing catch out back.

Impossible to say without knowing the particular state.
True -- but the main point is due process -- a court order to kick into effect an actual legal procedure that both protects the children and safeguards parental rights.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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