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Want to know why there are no jobs in America?
Topic Started: Nov 23 2011, 06:43 PM (799 Views)
Jane D'Oh
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John D'Oh
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Nov 23 2011, 11:46 PM
It seems overstating that the backbone is "big business"
Not half as much as it is to state that the backbone is small business, which is what I was responding to.

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As a patent attorney, I advise many small businesses, the very small businesses that form the backbone of our economy.


Not to shoot the messenger, but I suspect that patent abuse does more to stifle innovation in small companies than even President Obama can manage,
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Jolly
Nov 24 2011, 04:52 AM
That's a similar sort of mindless and inane reaction as with disgruntled farmers who slaughter their livestock or pour out their dairy produce on the ground in protest to losing a government farm subsidy entitlement.
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Nov 24 2011, 07:58 AM
Jolly
Nov 24 2011, 04:52 AM
That's a similar sort of mindless and inane reaction as with disgruntled farmers who slaughter their livestock or pour out their dairy produce on the ground in protest to losing a government farm subsidy entitlement.
It's like Occupy Wall Street without ever leaving the house.
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...or the farm.
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Nov 24 2011, 08:06 AM
...or the farm.
But the smell is probably similar.

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Republicans have historically detested the SBA. I believe if they had their way they'd shiitcan the Agency. And then what?



Let me explain why.

Here are two examples, hypothetical conversations that convey what happens when one applies for an SBA loan.


American: I'd like to get an SBA loan to start a business.
SBA: Yes, sir. Please take these 2,782 forms and fill them out in triplicate, then submit a 50 page business plan proving your business idea will be capable of producing 4 times the revenue required to operate and pay the loan back, then prove to us that you cannot get the money somewhere else, and provide us with a list of assets totalling 5 times the amount you are requesting. You have 30 days to complete this paperwork. In the event you get the loan, we will require that you submit financial statements quarterly for our review, and we will have an agent monitor your business while there is any outstanding balance on your loan to tell you how to run your business.
American submits paperwork.
Two years later....
American: I haven't heard anything from you in a long time. Has my loan been approved?
SBA: We're sorry sir, but your loan was rejected.


Situation two:

Dot Indian: I want buy motel.
SBA: Certainly sir, how much money do you need?
Dot Indian: Three million dolla.
SBA: Certainly sir! You're also going to need operating capital, so we're going to make the loan seven million. And because you're just getting on your feet here in America, we're going to give you a seven year grace period where no payments will be required, no interest will be charged, and when you begin making payments seven years from now and interest charges begin, the interest rate will be 1%. We'll also provide you with tax preparation assistance to show you how to write off most of it during the initial seven years. We'll have the check ready for you next week. Can I assist you with anything else?

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Nov 24 2011, 08:07 AM
Renauda
Nov 24 2011, 08:06 AM
...or the farm.
But the smell is probably similar.

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Nov 24 2011, 01:36 AM
Heck, why compare "big" vs. "small" by head count only? A 10-people boutique financial firm generating $100M revenue a year vs. a 100-people cleaning company generating $1M revenue a year ... which one is bigger?
Which sort of firm builds a healthier economy in your estimation?
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Nov 24 2011, 09:48 AM
Axtremus
Nov 24 2011, 01:36 AM
Heck, why compare "big" vs. "small" by head count only? A 10-people boutique financial firm generating $100M revenue a year vs. a 100-people cleaning company generating $1M revenue a year ... which one is bigger?
Which sort of firm builds a healthier economy in your estimation?
Unless you intend to relate "contribution to a healthier economy" (however "healthy" is defined) to the concept of "size," I don't see the relevance of your question.

You might as well retort with "which sort of library contribute more to neighborhood literacy" to the question on whether one should use square footage or title count to determine the relative size of libraries.

Kindly clarify your intention, else it looks like an irrelevant question going no where.
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Nov 24 2011, 06:27 AM
Speaking of small business, which I agree is the backbone of our economy, don't think for a minute that if we get a Republican running the show, that small business will be better off. If it weren't for the SBA, most small businesses would never even get started. We all know how stingy banks have gotten with loans and without that Federal guaranty, those banks would tell most entrapaneaurs to just turn around and keep walking. You want to start that restaurant? Ha ha! We (banks) know the odds of their potential success, and it ain't good.
Republicans have historically detested the SBA. I believe if they had their way they'd shiitcan the Agency. And then what?
I agree it was bad politics for the Reps to seek to defund the SBA (which was enacted by a Rep president), though they did so because of abuse, not because they are against small business. In fact, typically the chambers of commerce and small business pacs tend to be be overwhelmingly Republican.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Nov 24 2011, 09:56 AM
ivorythumper
Nov 24 2011, 09:48 AM
Axtremus
Nov 24 2011, 01:36 AM
Heck, why compare "big" vs. "small" by head count only? A 10-people boutique financial firm generating $100M revenue a year vs. a 100-people cleaning company generating $1M revenue a year ... which one is bigger?
Which sort of firm builds a healthier economy in your estimation?
Unless you intend to relate "contribution to a healthier economy" (however "healthy" is defined) to the concept of "size," I don't see the relevance of your question.

You might as well retort with "which sort of library contribute more to neighborhood literacy" to the question on whether one should use square footage or title count to determine the relative size of libraries.

Kindly clarify your intention, else it looks like an irrelevant question going no where.
In a population of 110 people, you think it is a healthier economy for 10 people to be phenomenally wealthy and everyone else to have virtually nothing, or all 110 people to have more even distribution of the wealth?
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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ivorythumper
Nov 24 2011, 09:59 AM
In a population of 110 people, you think it is a healthier economy for 10 people to be phenomenally wealthy and everyone else to have virtually nothing, or all 110 people to have more even distribution of the wealth?
This is a different question than the last one you asked; this one has more potential for vigorous and fruitful intellectual debate, but still has nothing to do with my question on what measure to use to determine the "size" of companies.
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Nov 24 2011, 10:07 AM
ivorythumper
Nov 24 2011, 09:59 AM
In a population of 110 people, you think it is a healthier economy for 10 people to be phenomenally wealthy and everyone else to have virtually nothing, or all 110 people to have more even distribution of the wealth?
This is a different question than the last one you asked; this one has more potential for vigorous and fruitful intellectual debate, but still has nothing to do with my question on what measure to use to determine the "size" of companies.
It is not a different question, it only uses different words and distills the first question down to its essence since you did not understand what I was getting at.

I agree that the metric is important for the rhetorical purposes, but I care more about what builds healthier economies.

Which would be healthier?
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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As far as their being no jobs in America, I don't think that's completely true either. Here in Massachusetts, believe it or not we're having a real problem finding decent technicians and electrical/electronic engineers.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Jolly
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Well...you fellows can wax on about the hypothetical, but as for me and the people I talk to, healthcare is in a holding pattern, including one billion dollar deal I know about.
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John D'Oh
Nov 24 2011, 03:51 PM
Here in Massachusetts, believe it or not we're having a real problem finding decent technicians and electrical/electronic engineers.
Say, has your employer considered raising the pay offer for these positions?
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Jolly
Nov 24 2011, 04:01 PM
Well...you fellows can wax on about the hypothetical, but as for me and the people I talk to, healthcare is in a holding pattern, including one billion dollar deal I know about.
Have you reason to believe that this "deal" will lead to more employment? Or would this be of those that lead to "increased efficiency due to synergy and cost savings through elimination of redundant positions in the newly merged entity"?
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Nov 24 2011, 04:54 PM
John D'Oh
Nov 24 2011, 03:51 PM
Here in Massachusetts, believe it or not we're having a real problem finding decent technicians and electrical/electronic engineers.
Say, has your employer considered raising the pay offer for these positions?
We offer a company pension, matched 401K contributions, and all the corporate bullsh!t you can eat. What more does someone need?
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Nov 24 2011, 04:57 PM
Jolly
Nov 24 2011, 04:01 PM
Well...you fellows can wax on about the hypothetical, but as for me and the people I talk to, healthcare is in a holding pattern, including one billion dollar deal I know about.
Have you reason to believe that this "deal" will lead to more employment? Or would this be of those that lead to "increased efficiency due to synergy and cost savings through elimination of redundant positions in the newly merged entity"?
Oh, I think this deal will lead to about an additional two thousand jobs. Everything from $8/hr to $325K/yr.
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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John D'Oh
Nov 24 2011, 05:36 PM
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Nov 24 2011, 04:54 PM
John D'Oh
Nov 24 2011, 03:51 PM
Here in Massachusetts, believe it or not we're having a real problem finding decent technicians and electrical/electronic engineers.
Say, has your employer considered raising the pay offer for these positions?
We offer a company pension, matched 401K contributions, and all the corporate bullsh!t you can eat. What more does someone need?
Not a matter of what the candidates "need," but a matter of making your offer sufficiently competitive to lure the candidates you want from whatever else they are doing.
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Jolly
Nov 24 2011, 05:44 PM
Axtremus
Nov 24 2011, 04:57 PM
Jolly
Nov 24 2011, 04:01 PM
Well...you fellows can wax on about the hypothetical, but as for me and the people I talk to, healthcare is in a holding pattern, including one billion dollar deal I know about.
Have you reason to believe that this "deal" will lead to more employment? Or would this be of those that lead to "increased efficiency due to synergy and cost savings through elimination of redundant positions in the newly merged entity"?
Oh, I think this deal will lead to about an additional two thousand jobs. Everything from $8/hr to $325K/yr.
Good, now it seems worth it to take a closer look. What can you tell us about the specifics that's putting this deal on hold?
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Jolly
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Obama.

Specifically, Obamacare.
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Jolly
Nov 24 2011, 06:00 PM
Obama.

Specifically, Obamacare.
Which part(s) or aspects of Obamacare?
The 1099 mandate that has since been repealed?
It's failure to extend Medicare to people as young as 55 years old?
The individual mandate not strong enough to make the deal profitable?
It fell short of single-payer universal healthcare that was originally expected by the would-be dealmakers?
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