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Want to know why there are no jobs in America?
Topic Started: Nov 23 2011, 06:43 PM (798 Views)
Improviso
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HOLY CARP!!!
And I'd wager this is the sentiment of a lot of businesses in this country. This guy just had the stones to say in public what many others are saying in private.

'Company Policy: We are not hiring until Obama is gone'

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As a patent attorney, I advise many small businesses, the very small businesses that form the backbone of our economy. I can tell you first hand, hiring is either very limited or completely on hold until Obama is gone, and/or Obamacare is killed. The economy will come booming back if Gingrich or another business oriented person replaces him, as employers will finally feel safe enough to hire. We want to grow, but we can't do so with these Obama people around.
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and admiration while breaking down over even the slightest bit of criticism.

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Jolly
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The guy's just saying publicly the same thing I've heard a lot of guys saying privately.
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apple
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as a patent attorney..? I can describe your product in 4 million words or less.. that will be 4 hundred thousand dollars.. and yeah, i buy watches advertized in the Wall Street Journal mag..

I'm sure he is an expert on labor and knows all about production.
it behooves me to behold
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Copper
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An uncertain environment has been created. That's certainly one of the worst things you can do to business growth.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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John D'Oh
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Improviso
Nov 23 2011, 06:43 PM
I advise many small businesses, the very small businesses that form the backbone of our economy.
That's a fallacy. The backbone of the American economy is big business, not small businesses.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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ivorythumper
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John D'Oh
Nov 23 2011, 08:23 PM
Improviso
Nov 23 2011, 06:43 PM
I advise many small businesses, the very small businesses that form the backbone of our economy.
That's a fallacy. The backbone of the American economy is big business, not small businesses.
???

that's not what the raw numbers show.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Aqua Letifer
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ivorythumper
Nov 23 2011, 08:50 PM
John D'Oh
Nov 23 2011, 08:23 PM
Improviso
Nov 23 2011, 06:43 PM
I advise many small businesses, the very small businesses that form the backbone of our economy.
That's a fallacy. The backbone of the American economy is big business, not small businesses.
???

that's not what the raw numbers show.
You reading the same numbers I'm reading? Half the total employees listed work for firms who have 500 or more employees. The Census Department and Bureau of Labor Statistics I'm sure have their own definition for "big" and "small" but when I think "small business," I sure don't think of a company so big that you can't fit all the employees on a one-page management chart.

Also, regarding Imrov's article:
1) I assume this guy means he or his firm won't hire until the policies enacted by Obama's administration get reversed, or that we have a substantially different federal fiscal policy, or something along those lines. I doubt as a patent attorney he'd be so stupid as to base his business planning on political benchmarks. Either way, he'll likely be waiting longer than the next election: assuming Barry even gets voted out, he'll still set the federal budget for the next fiscal year and the next guy in might further some of the same bullsh!t policies, just like Barry did with some of Bush's. But hey, he can blame Barry if it's what makes him feel better.
2) Hey. Aren't you supposed to be retired?
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Aqua Letifer
Nov 23 2011, 10:13 PM
ivorythumper
Nov 23 2011, 08:50 PM
John D'Oh
Nov 23 2011, 08:23 PM
Improviso
Nov 23 2011, 06:43 PM
I advise many small businesses, the very small businesses that form the backbone of our economy.
That's a fallacy. The backbone of the American economy is big business, not small businesses.
???

that's not what the raw numbers show.
You reading the same numbers I'm reading? Half the total employees listed work for firms who have 500 or more employees. The Census Department and Bureau of Labor Statistics I'm sure have their own definition for "big" and "small" but when I think "small business," I sure don't think of a company so big that you can't fit all the employees on a one-page management chart.
Look at payroll for 1-4 employee firms vs 500+ or 5000+ or 10,000+ employee firms.

Look at aggregate payroll for 1-99 person firms vs aggregate payroll for 100+ person firms.
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Says basically the same, that employees who work in firms of 500 or more make up slightly more than half the total payroll for all employer firms.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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ivorythumper
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It seems overstating that the backbone is "big business" -- there are a whole lot of small businesses (I'd define somewhere south of 500 employees -- I doubt companies that size are typically "buying" politics) that are bringing in a whole lot of revenue and feeding a whole lot of families.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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ivorythumper
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
BTW, between MS and me, we have the whole spectrum covered. ;)
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Aqua Letifer
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ivorythumper
Nov 23 2011, 11:46 PM
It seems overstating that the backbone is "big business" -- there are a whole lot of small businesses (I'd define somewhere south of 500 employees -- I doubt companies that size are typically "buying" politics) that are bringing in a whole lot of revenue and feeding a whole lot of families.
I dunno. If you don't look at summations and just the individual categories, firms of 10,000 or more are by far the biggest (about one third total payroll). Firms of 20 to 100 employees are next in line, but only by about half as much. I think D'Oh's statement holds water.
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ivorythumper
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I s'pose. Seems like 5.6MM companies in the US under 100 people all doing business are the real backbone to me -- but maybe that's my perception since I'm in that category.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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HOLY CARP!!!
ivorythumper
Nov 24 2011, 01:01 AM
I s'pose. Seems like 5.6MM companies in the US under 100 people all doing business are the real backbone to me -- but maybe that's my perception since I'm in that category.
Too lazy to look it up (and not sure if people have done the math) ... what if you compare aggregate revenue or aggregate contribution to GDP by company size classes?

Heck, why compare "big" vs. "small" by head count only? A 10-people boutique financial firm generating $100M revenue a year vs. a 100-people cleaning company generating $1M revenue a year ... which one is bigger?

Arguing which ones are the "real backbone" is like arguing who are the "real Americans."
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Axtremus
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HOLY CARP!!!
Copper
Nov 23 2011, 08:10 PM
An uncertain environment has been created.
Yeah ... like threatening a government shutdown every few months.
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Jolly
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Axtremus
Nov 24 2011, 01:38 AM
Copper
Nov 23 2011, 08:10 PM
An uncertain environment has been created.
Yeah ... like threatening a government shutdown every few months.
For the most part, as long as the Social Security checks get printed, government shutdowns are not necessarily a bad thing.
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Jolly
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Hmmmm....the Cause is spreading...

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/214228/3/Company-Policy-We-are-not-hiring-until-Obama-is-gone
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Aqua Letifer
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Makes it easier to add to my list of companies too stupid to apply to.
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Mikhailoh
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Why should businesses and those who own them have less right to express their opinions than the OWS protestors?
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ivorythumper
Nov 24 2011, 01:01 AM
I s'pose. Seems like 5.6MM companies in the US under 100 people all doing business are the real backbone to me -- but maybe that's my perception since I'm in that category.
From little acorns, mighty oaks. Small business is the incubator that fosters innovation.
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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Aqua Letifer
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Mikhailoh
Nov 24 2011, 05:20 AM
Why should businesses and those who own them have less right to express their opinions than the OWS protestors?
I'm not debating that, they can of course do what they want.

But what do these companies think, that t3h w0rld just resets once Barry's elected out of office? That the economy will right itself immediately after the next guy is inaugurated? That there are zero opportunities for growth until the day we have a new president? I can understand not being able to safely expand due to some federal policies. But assuming you were in a position to take on more employees, why on earth would you limit not only yourself but other job-seekers and the economy at large just because you don't like Barry? It's just a stupid ass policy, and I wouldn't work for any company that was in the habit of establishing stupid ass policies.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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apple
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i don't know.. hiring people can be good business. it seems it's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot or something to make a point.

isn't voting for making a statement?

mr. apple is happy to be in the position to need some more employees. building is fun and sitting at home is not.

I guess KS is doing well. We have a very cool, very religious republican governor.. last time we had a very cool woman Kathleen Sibelius, who is a democrat and now the secretary of health and human services.

Our state is full of crazies in a way, but we vote well in our own interests... usually republican and are unlikely to shoot ourselves in the feet to make a point that will hardly be a splash.

our whole country has gone revolting.

I kind of attribute this to the beautiful and engaging Sarah Palin and her cheerleading capabilities.. GO GO GO!

I miss her.

the original patent attorney's statement was a bit revolting.. i guess in keeping with the current state of unrest.
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Speaking of small business, which I agree is the backbone of our economy, don't think for a minute that if we get a Republican running the show, that small business will be better off. If it weren't for the SBA, most small businesses would never even get started. We all know how stingy banks have gotten with loans and without that Federal guaranty, those banks would tell most entrapaneaurs to just turn around and keep walking. You want to start that restaurant? Ha ha! We (banks) know the odds of their potential success, and it ain't good.
Republicans have historically detested the SBA. I believe if they had their way they'd shiitcan the Agency. And then what?
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Nov 24 2011, 06:27 AM
Speaking of small business, which I agree is the backbone of our economy, don't think for a minute that if we get a Republican running the show, that small business will be better off. If it weren't for the SBA, most small businesses would never even get started. We all know how stingy banks have gotten with loans and without that Federal guaranty, those banks would tell most entrapaneaurs to just turn around and keep walking. You want to start that restaurant? Ha ha! We (banks) know the odds of their potential success, and it ain't good.
Republicans have historically detested the SBA. I believe if they had their way they'd shiitcan the Agency. And then what?
here's a little article from a couple years back:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lloyd-chapman/why-do-republicans-hate-s_b_138515.html

"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
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and another:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lloyd-chapman/republicans-trying-to-end_b_923808.html

"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
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