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| BSA doesn't like gays but protects their molesters; Sound familiar? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 29 2011, 08:41 AM (366 Views) | |
| kenny | Oct 29 2011, 08:41 AM Post #1 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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What is it about these powerful, arrogant, pious, and self righteous institutions that they protect their image instead of the kids? . . . Partial Snip: Rick Turley was 18 when he learned that Scouting offered a unique opportunity to meet boys. He would show up in a uniform with a sash full of merit badges, charm parents with claims of being a "top" leader and offer to take their preteen boys out for a swim or drive. Then, often after plying them with alcohol, he would fondle or rape them — once going so far as to kidnap a boy in a stolen plane. Over nearly two decades, Turley molested at least 15 children in Southern California and British Columbia, most of whom he met through American and Canadian Scouting, a Los Angeles Times and Canadian Broadcasting Corp. investigation has found. Scouting officials on both sides of the border not only failed to stop him, but sometimes helped cover his tracks, according to confidential Scouting records, court files and interviews with victims, families and Scout leaders. At one point in 1979, Boy Scouts of America officials decided not to call police after Turley admitted molesting three Orange County boys, the organization's records show. "We were following exactly the national recommendations of the Boy Scouts of America and its board who set up the rules," said A. Buford Hill Jr., a former Orange County Scouting executive, in a recent interview. "You do not want to broadcast to the entire population that these things happen. You take care of it quietly and make sure it never happens again." But it did. ... The Scouts' handling of sex-abuse allegations echoes that of the Catholic Church in the face of accusations against its priests, some attorneys say. "It's the same institutional reaction: scandal prevention," said Seattle attorney Timothy Kosnoff, who has filed seven suits in the last year by former Scouts but was not involved in the Oregon case. The rest of the story . . . http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-scouts-molest-story,0,3130016.htmlstory |
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| Renauda | Oct 29 2011, 08:50 AM Post #2 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Aired last week on CBC: http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2011-2012/scoutshonour/ |
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| Luke's Dad | Oct 29 2011, 09:00 AM Post #3 |
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While I can't speak for their current practices in dealing with these issues should they occur, I can certainly vouch for the prevention steps that they've taken over the past decades. There is a comprehensive background test to be approved as a volunteer, and much more substantial training for leaders. The rules regarding no single leader being alone with a boy are inviolate, and the first thing they start teaching in the handbooks is respect for ones self and your own body, and what to do if an adult acts improperly. It seems obvious that a good organization made some shameful mistakes in the past, as happens in all things. Those individuals should pay for the mistakes they made, and that past needs to be recognized, as well as the good that's been accomplished through the years by BSA as well. Edited by Luke's Dad, Oct 29 2011, 09:01 AM.
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| The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it. | |
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| jon-nyc | Oct 29 2011, 09:15 AM Post #4 |
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Cheers
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They need to find each and every person that enabled him in any way and throw them in prison for years and years. |
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| apple | Oct 29 2011, 09:26 AM Post #5 |
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one of the angels
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and cut off their dicks |
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| Copper | Oct 29 2011, 09:31 AM Post #6 |
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Shortstop
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It might be the same kind of thinking that causes the gay community to deny access to pedophiles. Just a guess. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| George K | Oct 29 2011, 09:37 AM Post #7 |
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Finally
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RU Serious? |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Mark | Oct 29 2011, 11:14 AM Post #8 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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___.___ (_]===* o 0 When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells | |
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| apple | Oct 29 2011, 11:27 AM Post #9 |
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one of the angels
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kinda - but not really.. that would be cruel. |
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| jon-nyc | Oct 29 2011, 11:47 AM Post #10 |
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Cheers
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I certainly share the sentiment, but would not in sober moments want it to be given effect. |
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| Dan | Oct 29 2011, 11:56 AM Post #11 |
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Senior Carp
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Not sure what you're saying here Copper. Are you saying the gay community has a 'policy' of covering up abuses by pedophiles? If so, what's your source for that info? If not, could you clarify for me please? |
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| Copper | Oct 29 2011, 11:58 AM Post #12 |
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Shortstop
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Mostly I'm just saying hello to k. He doesn't want the peds be part of his club, but he does publish a lot of their images. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Dan | Oct 29 2011, 12:00 PM Post #13 |
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As for the BSA, other than supporting my nephews with popcorn purchases, I don't support the organization in any fashion. While I agree that they do good work for probably the vast majority of all participants, their policy regarding sexual orientation (no gays allowed) is in opposition to my beliefs. That means no support from me. As for my purchases from my nephews, I see that as supporting them, not the BSA. |
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| Axtremus | Oct 29 2011, 12:03 PM Post #14 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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If that's still the policy, that policy has to change. BSA should report all incidents of child molestation to law enforcement. Plain and simple. |
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| Dan | Oct 29 2011, 12:04 PM Post #15 |
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Ok understood. Joshing Kenny is a great thing to do that we all enjoy. An interesting question is raised in your reply however. Namely, are pedophiles homosexual in their sexual orientation? Personally I've never thought that. I've always considered pedophilia to be a disease that has no relationship to sexual orientation. |
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| Copper | Oct 29 2011, 12:06 PM Post #16 |
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He's had me on ignore for a number of years, so I have to rely on the kindness of strangers to quote the messages. Thanks. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Dan | Oct 29 2011, 12:08 PM Post #17 |
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LOL, happy to help out a fellow forumite. |
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| ivorythumper | Oct 29 2011, 12:37 PM Post #18 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Absolutely. All organizations should. Let the civil authorities deal with crimes. |
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| ivorythumper | Oct 29 2011, 12:54 PM Post #19 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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I think the studies show that "pedophilia" per se (sexual attraction to preadolescents) is a rather rare phenomenon, and that most homosexual cases of pedophilia are really ephebophilia, which is sexual attraction to young sexually mature persons. I assume that was Copper's point. BTW, these are not gender oriented terms, though ephebos was a masculine term for an adolescent of sexual maturity without (as far as I know) a feminine form. Young ladies from puberty would presumably be some form of kore or partho- Dewey can probably correct that if necessary. Ephebophilia is usually considered gender neutral, though I think that is imprecise. |
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| Luke's Dad | Oct 29 2011, 01:17 PM Post #20 |
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Well, you'll be happy to know that in the current Cub Scout leadership training, there are no ifs ands or buts about it. You are to call the police. |
| The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it. | |
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| kenny | Oct 29 2011, 02:07 PM Post #21 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Actually the best way to protect the institution's image is to immediately call the police, report what they know or suspect and cooperate fully with the investigations. Yes, this will send the story to the front page of the papers the next morning BUT readers finding out the leaders did the right thing HELPS the image. Covering up is dumb and backfires. Victims grow up, and a few will get un-brainwashed and deprogrammed and sing. Decades of cover ups hurt the org's image and bottom line MUCH more than reporting it and facing the music right away. Imagine how much business (lost new and old customers and zillions of bucks settling lawsuits) the BSA and Pope has lost. ![]() Not to mention losing credibility claiming to be any kind of moral authority. Even the masses of people who are not customers of the BSA or Pope's thingie have been given good reasons to despise these organizations. |
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| Mikhailoh | Oct 29 2011, 02:27 PM Post #22 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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You better be damn sure of what you are reporting. You stand a large risk of ruining an innocent person's life and possibly being sued for everything you own or ever hope to own. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Luke's Dad | Oct 29 2011, 02:56 PM Post #23 |
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No question there. |
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| Luke's Dad | Oct 29 2011, 03:00 PM Post #24 |
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http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/GSS/gss01.aspx |
| The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it. | |
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