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Compassion for the 1%
Topic Started: Oct 28 2011, 01:05 PM (2,265 Views)
John D'Oh
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Oct 28 2011, 07:39 PM
And your spiel in this entire thread sounds exactly like what we would have read in pamphlets floating around pre-WW2 Germany.
You're the one using German words.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Aqua Letifer
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QuantumIvory
Oct 28 2011, 06:40 PM
1) I don't know, but the fact that they freely choose to work there indicates it's probably not a "drop in the bucket".

2) Many workers (particularly those who are self-employed) have a series of "temporary" jobs. So what?

My point about these two is that I don't think the guy is quite the benevolent philanthropist you're making him out to be. Getting your mansion fixed up doesn't qualify you for being the next Jesus.

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3) What do illegals have to do with anything? I said the guy building the house is creating wealth. I don't recall mentioning the nationality of the people taking advantage of it.


I didn't realize you had no problem with creating or distributing wealth via illegal means. If that's the case then there are likely some drug pushers and slave traffickers in your neck of the woods who could help you create wealth for them, since you seem to be implying that it's a virtue in and of itself.

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And as far as the seven deadly sins argument goes, I'm afraid I'm gonna disappoint you, AL. I'm a deist and don't adhere much to biblical admonitions. (Much to the disappointment of many of my conservative friends here.)


That's fine; we could argue over greed being bad for society but at the end of the day we'll likely just have to agree to disagree.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Larry
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I have tried to tell you all that this woman is a f*cking idiot.

Like most all leftwing fruitcakes, she engages in class envy, and loves to gossip about people she doesn't like, and belittle them.

The man made his money legally, who he married is his own business, why she married him is HER own business, you don't know her kids so you don't know if they're happy or not, kids get bags under their eyes from simple things like lack of sleep. To ridicule the man because his wife is pretty and younger than him is disgusting, and stupid.

But that's the kind of person Kathy is.

This man made his money legally, and he has a right to do what he wants with it. He has chosen to build a very large house, with a ballroom. Perhaps he needs a ballroom - it's not your place to tell him he doesn't need one, or ridicule him for it whether he needs it or not. Building a house like that kept a large number of construction workers busy for quite a while, fed their families, brought business to the merchants selling the materials for it, and so on. He apparently does quite a bit of charity work, and gives large sums of money to charity as well.

Any rational person would look at that end of things. Nutjobs like Kathy can only focus on the fact that he has more than she does, and it pisses her off.

Twit.

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garrett2
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Oct 28 2011, 08:42 PM
Getting your mansion fixed up doesn't qualify you for being the next Jesus.
Jesus? Stalin?

I don't think it makes you either of the two.
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garrett2
Oct 28 2011, 09:09 PM
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Oct 28 2011, 08:42 PM
Getting your mansion fixed up doesn't qualify you for being the next Jesus.
Jesus? Stalin?

I don't think it makes you either of the two.
It certainly doesn't. Makes you a guy getting his house fixed up.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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garrett2
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Larry
Oct 28 2011, 09:05 PM
This man made his money legally, and he has a right to do what he wants with it. He has chosen to build a very large house, with a ballroom. Perhaps he needs a ballroom - it's not your place to tell him he doesn't need one, or ridicule him for it whether he needs it or not. Building a house like that kept a large number of construction workers busy for quite a while, fed their families, brought business to the merchants selling the materials for it, and so on. He apparently does quite a bit of charity work, and gives large sums of money to charity as well.

In all honesty, I don't really care what charity work he has done. I won't ridicule him, but it sounds like the mansion was a bit of a mistake (we all make mistakes, sometimes it's just hard to wrap your head around a 100 million dollar mistake).

Additionally, it is kind of hard to feel sorry for him, especially in light of his "I'll rebuild" attitude.
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garrett2
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Oct 28 2011, 09:10 PM
Makes you a guy getting his house fixed up.
I couldn't have said it any better.
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Larry
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I don't feel sorry for him, either. But to pick him out the way Kathy did and then ridicule him, his wife, and his kids, just because she thinks it's her place to tell the man how to spend his money is just plain stupid.

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Renauda
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kathyk
Oct 28 2011, 06:52 PM
You assume the money was made legally. Even if it was, this should be enough to make anyone question whether unfettered capitalism is a sound system. This sort of unfettered, conspicuous consumerism is enough to spawn another Stalin or Hitler - never mind Qadaffi.

Moronic, inane and imbecilic.
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ivorythumper
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I can't figure out why you would take cheap shots at his family, Kathy. Care to defend that?
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Axtremus
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garrett2
Oct 28 2011, 07:57 PM
Axtremus
Oct 28 2011, 07:49 PM
Would be a lot more efficient to just give the money without bothering with a ball, don't you think?
Efficient for the family? Probably.

Most profitable for the charity(s), in the long run? No.

More efficient for everybody.
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jon-nyc
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Right, except most of those people wouldn't have given to that charity otherwise.


Fundraising is about social pressure, sometimes subtle sometimes not so.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Jolly
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jon-nyc
Oct 29 2011, 03:36 AM
Right, except most of those people wouldn't have given to that charity otherwise.


Fundraising is about social pressure, sometimes subtle sometimes not so.
Succinct.

And correct.
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Copper
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Axtremus
Oct 29 2011, 02:52 AM
garrett2
Oct 28 2011, 07:57 PM
Axtremus
Oct 28 2011, 07:49 PM
Would be a lot more efficient to just give the money without bothering with a ball, don't you think?
Efficient for the family? Probably.

Most profitable for the charity(s), in the long run? No.

More efficient for everybody.

Great point, you should pass it along to the breast cancer people - tell them to trash all the pink stuff and just put the money into the cure.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Luke's Dad
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ivorythumper
Oct 28 2011, 10:16 PM
I can't figure out why you would take cheap shots at his family, Kathy. Care to defend that?
I will, you have to personalize the enemy. Make the populace see the jews Siegels (well what do you know, in this case they both literally work) as evil monsters. It's all there in Mein Kampf.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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John D'Oh
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Oct 29 2011, 04:59 AM
ivorythumper
Oct 28 2011, 10:16 PM
I can't figure out why you would take cheap shots at his family, Kathy. Care to defend that?
I will, you have to personalize the enemy. Make the populace see the jews Siegels (well what do you know, in this case they both literally work) as evil monsters. It's all there in Mein Kampf.
So, you admit to having read Mein Kampf as well as interspersing your everyday vocabulary with German words!
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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JBryan
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I am trying to imagine kathy's idea of fettered capitalism and it is a scary thought indeed.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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Larry
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
Just the thought of her having an idea at all is scary....
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QuantumIvory
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Mikhailoh
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Top 50 Philanthropists 2004-8

Interesting that Soros is nowhere to be found number four on this list. The man who thinks everyone else should pay more.

Oops.

Edited by Mikhailoh, Oct 29 2011, 06:56 AM.
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JBryan
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I am not on there either, unfortunately.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Luke's Dad
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Mik, you might want to take a look at #4 and consider an edit.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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John D'Oh
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Oct 29 2011, 06:38 AM
Top 50 Philanthropists 2004-8

Interesting that Soros is nowhere to be found on this list. The man who thinks everyone else should pay more.

Stop personalising the enemy, you Nazi! Next thing, you'll be marching into bloody Poland and poisoning your dog.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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JBryan
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I wonder if politically philanthropy should be considered in the same light as the others. It is not really charitable giving as such but, strictly speaking, advocacy.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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JBryan
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John D'Oh
Oct 29 2011, 06:44 AM
Mikhailoh
Oct 29 2011, 06:38 AM
Top 50 Philanthropists 2004-8

Interesting that Soros is nowhere to be found on this list. The man who thinks everyone else should pay more.

Stop personalising the enemy, you Nazi! Next thing, you'll be marching into bloody Poland and poisoning your dog.
I don't see you on that list either. I looked and no D'oh.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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