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| AndyD | Oct 29 2011, 12:05 PM Post #176 |
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| jon-nyc | Oct 29 2011, 12:07 PM Post #177 |
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Jolly thought the study refuted the idea that gays are 'born that way'. I think I made it pretty clear that was the single conclusion of his I disagreed with. from post 21:
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(a question never responded to by Jolly, by the way) Those are just from the first 4 pages of the 8 page thread. I could go on, but no need since I really don't think you're obtuse. |
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| ivorythumper | Oct 29 2011, 12:14 PM Post #178 |
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I think (as I pointed out to you in my summary in post #134) that you've made a strawman argument of Jolly's position. You need to actually quote him to support your interpretation of his argument, not yourself to justify your position. It's probably easier to regurgitate your own words than to honestly deal with another's. |
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| Moonbat | Oct 29 2011, 12:17 PM Post #179 |
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Unbelievable. |
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| ivorythumper | Oct 29 2011, 12:22 PM Post #180 |
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Indeed, Moonbat, it really is unbelievable that Jon has continued this thread about my interpretation of Jolly's position without really sourcing Jolly's statements as a coherent body of thought, and without taking exception to my interpretation of Jolly's position. Go figure. |
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| jon-nyc | Oct 29 2011, 04:51 PM Post #181 |
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All 9 instances that you quoted of me taking issue with Jolly's conclusion were posted when Jolly was fully participating in this thread. If it was an inaccurate portrayal of his conclusion one imagines he would have said something. |
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| Dewey | Oct 29 2011, 05:18 PM Post #182 |
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Whatever else, I believe this thread gives me one free pass the next time I allow myself to get sucked into some train-wreck, death-spiral theological debate.
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"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14 | |
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| jon-nyc | Oct 29 2011, 05:29 PM Post #183 |
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Oh, and if I'm wrong, I stand ready to be corrected. Jolly could just chime in and say he agrees - unreservedly - with the following statement: "The study referenced in the first post offers no insight whatsoever into the causes of homosexuality in humans. Specifically, the fact that some erstwhile homosexuals in the study later entered into heterosexual relationships after therapy is entirely consistent with the theory(ies) that homosexuality has genetic or congenital causes". |
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| ivorythumper | Oct 30 2011, 12:26 AM Post #184 |
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He certainly did seem to write things, and quite a lot, about how you weren't getting his point, as much as he tried to explain it:
It's not like he was shy about letting you know you didn't get it. |
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| AndyD | Oct 30 2011, 01:31 AM Post #185 |
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Have to say, given up reading much of what is written; now far more interested about who insists on getting the last word. Ding ding... ![]() |
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| apple | Oct 30 2011, 03:32 AM Post #186 |
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as usual, i agree with moonbat, and kathy who mentioned that homosexuality was a continuum. ivory.. you never answered my question. i don't really care tho so keep posting your arguments. |
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| jon-nyc | Oct 30 2011, 03:39 AM Post #187 |
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Yeah, this was the conclusion I disagreed with. I was pretty clear about that throughout the thread. Not sure what that little diversion accomplished, other than getting the conversation away from your feeble and transparent attempt at constructing a strawman. |
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| jon-nyc | Oct 30 2011, 03:41 AM Post #188 |
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Oh I think we know the answer to that already. |
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| Axtremus | Oct 30 2011, 03:50 AM Post #189 |
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Wait ... to the extent that Jolly put the word "some" in there, it's clear that Jolly think/believe/know that there are "some others" who are not "not born homosexuals." |
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| Axtremus | Oct 30 2011, 03:51 AM Post #190 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Don't be so modest ... you deserve THREE free passes. Here are two more: ![]()
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| ivorythumper | Oct 30 2011, 07:34 AM Post #191 |
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What question, Apple? About anti-gays? Who here is anti gay? But it's good to know that you don't really care about me. That's a shame since I like you. I guess friendship for you requires conformity to your worldview. |
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| ivorythumper | Oct 30 2011, 07:37 AM Post #192 |
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You take pussy parting shots, Jon. Only pussies take parting shots. |
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| ivorythumper | Oct 30 2011, 07:38 AM Post #193 |
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Try to resolve a discussion without taking parting shots, Jon -- it's not good form to destroy friendships over mere topical disagreements. Like this: "then that means at least some of them are not born homosexuals, they are made homosexuals due to some external stimuli or another. " You disagree with this? Then why do you accept the study itself? AFAICT, Jolly just reiterated the conclusions of the study.
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| KlavierBauer | Oct 30 2011, 08:41 AM Post #194 |
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Ok, I've read through the entire thing. First, some need to lookup and understand the difference between a spectrum, and a continuum - otherwise I'm mostly in agreement. Now, to the real subject of the thread, I become increasingly confused. IT, reading the entire thing in one go, your position seems to be both that a) this study says something about sexual origin, and b) this study asks/answers no questions having to do with sexual origin. How are beings identified sexually? How, scientifically do we identify homosexuals and heterosexuals? It seems to me that there is only self identification, and if that's the case, then I wholly agree with Jon's position, and your position comes off as rather obtuse. Scientifically, this study only shows conclusively that some people who call themselves homosexual can, through training, call themselves heterosexuals. The study does nothing to address whether or not one is born one way or the other, so jolly's conclusion (which is the entire point of this thread) seems folly, or at least not backed up by the study, which does nothing to address it. Jon just keeps pointing that out over and over, and you seem to be dancing around it (The reality is that you've both said the same thing over and over: this study asks, and answers zero questions about sexual origin). |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Luke's Dad | Oct 30 2011, 08:47 AM Post #195 |
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195 posts. 18 debating the subject matter of the first post, 177 debating the debate. |
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| kenny | Oct 30 2011, 09:16 AM Post #196 |
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apple's the smartest person in this thread. She gets it.
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| apple | Oct 30 2011, 09:18 AM Post #197 |
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ya think? whatever you think is fine with me.. you were just accusing people of evading questions but never answered mine except with a question.. so i keep asking more. whether or not i like you (i do) has nothing to do with this thread. |
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| Mikhailoh | Oct 30 2011, 09:19 AM Post #198 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Chicken.
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| KlavierBauer | Oct 30 2011, 09:22 AM Post #199 |
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Who is anti-gay, and why does it become a question of "better than?" What a dismal and boring worldview, where everything boils down to qualitative, comparative analysis. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Mikhailoh | Oct 30 2011, 09:25 AM Post #200 |
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I think most of us would agree that homosexuality is a continuum of inherited and learned behavior. I don't think anyone here is anti-gay. Once again we are confronted with the ultimatum of 'believe everything we stand for or be a bigot'. |
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