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| Luke's Dad | Oct 27 2011, 12:40 PM Post #101 |
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I thought we had decided that Lesbians weren't gay, they were smart? |
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| ivorythumper | Oct 27 2011, 01:05 PM Post #102 |
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Perhaps you can point out where it states that the test subjects were "religious homosexuals"? All we know from the article is that the program was run by a Christian ministry -- probably not a whole lot of secular institutes running programs on helping homosexuals change their orientation. So, yeah, your statement seems incorrect from the information given. |
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| jon-nyc | Oct 27 2011, 01:09 PM Post #103 |
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Can't imagine a lot of non-religious homosexuals going to Exodus International to get 'cured', but feel free to omit the word 'religious' and address the point. |
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| ivorythumper | Oct 27 2011, 01:13 PM Post #104 |
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Why not? Where else are they supposed to go? |
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| jon-nyc | Oct 27 2011, 01:18 PM Post #105 |
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A Turkish bath or a gay bar. |
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| ivorythumper | Oct 27 2011, 01:19 PM Post #106 |
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""It signifies that the methodology meets the basic requirements for being taken seriously as a piece of scientific literature," Jones said. "Critics still dismiss the study. They say, 'Well, it's only one study,' or they say it's not a large enough sample. But I think the study stands as a significant challenge to the reigning views on this matter, especially given that the major mental health organizations say in alternate voices that change of sexual orientation is impossible or that change in sexual orientation is highly unlikely."" That basically addresses the point that you were trying to make, which has nothing to do with the more modest claims made by the study itself. |
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| ivorythumper | Oct 27 2011, 01:20 PM Post #107 |
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You don't have to give us your entire history.
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| Moonbat | Oct 27 2011, 01:48 PM Post #108 |
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This quote in addition to appearing slightly absurd in the face of prison populations (is there some context the above needs to be taken in reference to??) does not answer this:
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| ivorythumper | Oct 27 2011, 02:17 PM Post #109 |
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That is not a germane question that the report even purports to ask, let alone answer. Jon seems to be missing that point. |
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| Dan | Oct 27 2011, 02:28 PM Post #110 |
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So is the point Jolly, IT and others trying to make as follows: "If any homosexual can lead a heterosexual lifestyle - then homosexuality is NOT a congenital condition" If that's not the point, could one of you please summarize for me what point/position your trying to make? |
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| kathyk | Oct 27 2011, 04:56 PM Post #111 |
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And, there are also bisexuals. Sexuality is a continuum. You've got the stark raving gays on one side and the ultra-macho, super feminine heteros on the other (by way of examples). Those are probably determined more by biology than anything. But, then there are a lot in between. I suspect that most of the convertible ones fall somewhere toward the mid-line of the continuum and are more prone to environmental influences. |
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| ivorythumper | Oct 27 2011, 05:05 PM Post #112 |
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Not a heterosexual lifestyle, but not being homosexual. Not having same sex attraction. Lifestyle is a meaningless term unless you are selling Barbra Streisand CDs, astroglide, and rainbow licence plate frames. |
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| Dan | Oct 27 2011, 05:12 PM Post #113 |
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Ok, so something more like this: "If any homosexual can abstain from a homosexual lifestyle - then homosexuality is NOT a congenital condition" or maybe "If any homosexual can stop being a homosexual - then homosexuality is NOT a congenital condition" Better? Which one? |
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| John D'Oh | Oct 27 2011, 05:13 PM Post #114 |
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F*cking hell, you chaps don't half like to complicate things. It's not that difficult. Some blokes prefer to have sex with other blokes, and some women like other women. Some people like both, and some people prefer to spend their Sunday mornings singing bloody awful hymns in a freezing cold medieaval church and going on about how everybody else is wicked, when what they're really doing is eyeing up the choirboys. There, I think that covers it. Now, what was the argument about? |
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| Mikhailoh | Oct 27 2011, 05:16 PM Post #115 |
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Oh, gosh, John. We haven't begun to tap the animal kingdom yet. Well, you have, I suppose... |
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| jon-nyc | Oct 27 2011, 05:27 PM Post #116 |
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Of course you knew before Moonbat pointed it out that this doesn't remotely, even tangentially, address my point. Would you like one more chance to answer, or would you rather just concede? |
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| Dan | Oct 27 2011, 05:29 PM Post #117 |
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LOL. Well I thought I was trying to simplify things, but maybe not. The point I was eventually going to try to make was that a self-identified group cannot be homogeneous. So finding one member (or any number of members up to the group size - 1) of that group that refutes or stops their self-identification does not prove or disprove whether the group is congenital in nature. And, now that I read that - clearly that is complicated so just NEVER MIND!
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| ivorythumper | Oct 27 2011, 05:44 PM Post #118 |
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Concede to what? You make a statement about something that the study has nothing to do with -- "how the origin of homosexual behavior can be determined" -- and then ask why no one has put forth a convincing argument about that from the data of the study. Are on drugs or something? |
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| jon-nyc | Oct 27 2011, 05:44 PM Post #119 |
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You could have found a more self-respecting way to concede than 4 consecutive evasions - that fooled nobody, I'm sure.
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| ivorythumper | Oct 27 2011, 05:46 PM Post #120 |
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Again, concede what? That you can't follow the intent of a study? I'll happily concede that to you. |
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| jon-nyc | Oct 27 2011, 05:47 PM Post #121 |
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Nice try, man, as you know I never had issue with the unremarkable study. Rather it was Jolly's absurd conclusion. Would you like one more chance? I'll throw it out one more time.
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| ivorythumper | Oct 27 2011, 05:54 PM Post #122 |
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As I said earlier, no one in this is purporting to discuss the origin of homosexual behavior, much less whether the origin of homosexual behavior can be determined from the test population. So the fact of the the test population doing anything is not germane. You are asking about something quite apart from the modest claims of this study. I gave you what the study purports and claims. You want something else. That is my summary, which I already gave you. You seem to be just being argumentative at this point, since you usually get things pretty quickly. |
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| jon-nyc | Oct 27 2011, 05:57 PM Post #123 |
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Ok, 5 consecutive evasions. If at some point you decide you'd like to finally address my point, let me know. I'd be happy to have a real conversation with you about it. |
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| jon-nyc | Oct 27 2011, 06:01 PM Post #124 |
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His name is Jolly. And his absurd conclusion is the only reason this thread got more than 2 or 3 yawning responses. |
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| ivorythumper | Oct 27 2011, 06:08 PM Post #125 |
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You said "If you believe that statement is incorrect, please point out which post provides the argument, or feel free to summarize it yourself." I'm sorry if you are incapable of knowing when you are in a real conversation. It must be tough for Rachel. |
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