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Be Ye Not Gay
Topic Started: Oct 25 2011, 05:32 PM (3,717 Views)
bachophile
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The study is published in the Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, Volume 37.


i understand that volume 69 will be a commemorative edition
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:lol:


co-memorative anyway.
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jon-nyc
Oct 27 2011, 02:02 AM
On the contrary - no one has yet put forward a convincing argument as to how the origin of homosexual behavior can be determined from the fact that a small minority of religious homosexuals who attempt to change their behavior are successful in doing so.

If you believe that statement is incorrect, please point out which post provides the argument, or feel free to summarize it yourself.
I would think it blindingly obvious...and actually, you allude to it yourself in your words...homosexual behavior.

If homosexuals can be "re-oriented" (for lack of a better word), then that means at least some of them are not born homosexuals, they are made homosexuals due to some external stimuli or another. If so, biology cannot be destiny, since biology would predicate if one is born an aardvark, one is an aardvark.

And, if one cannot definitively determine the biological process which renders one a homosexual, we are being asked to grant special treatment to a class of individuals who cannot define their own class.

That is illogical and societal madness.
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What special treatment are you trying to outlaw here?
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Jolly
Oct 27 2011, 06:17 AM
If homosexuals can be "re-oriented" (for lack of a better word), then that means at least some of them are not born homosexuals, they are made homosexuals due to some external stimuli or another.
I don't see how that follows - care to explain? And, wouldn't that same logic imply that the hetero who later re-orients homo would 'prove' that we aren't born heterosexuals?







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Also, implicit in your argument seems to be the view that an innate disposition towards a certain behavior can't be overriden by free will. That seems an unlikely position for a Christian to hold.
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Horace
Oct 26 2011, 05:13 PM
apple
Oct 26 2011, 12:45 PM
you'd be lucky to get an aardvaark
only lucky if it's a heterosexual aardvaark though.
But if it were to produce a protozoan, let us hope it be an asexual one.
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jon-nyc
Oct 27 2011, 06:28 AM
Also, implicit in your argument seems to be the view that an innate disposition towards a certain behavior can't be overriden by free will. That seems an unlikely position for a Christian to hold.
The logical extension to that statement is that if heterosexuality is the natural state of human beings, can the innate disposition toward sexual behavior be overridden by free will to maintain celibacy?

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jon-nyc
Oct 27 2011, 06:28 AM
Also, implicit in your argument seems to be the view that an innate disposition towards a certain behavior can't be overriden by free will. That seems an unlikely position for a Christian to hold.
Not necessarily - depends upon which Christians you're talking to. To be honest, every Christian ah believes that humanity is irretrievably broken by an inherent, inescapable sin beyond our mere actions (think original sin) actually believes what you've just said. Just not all of them have as yet recognized or accepted homosexuality as being part of that condition.
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Dewey
Oct 27 2011, 09:21 AM
humanity is irretrievably broken by an inherent, inescapable sin
It was just the one sheep, damnit.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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NOW SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE D'OH!!
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Renauda
Oct 27 2011, 09:25 AM
NOW SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE D'OH!!
If it wasn't for that one sheep, we'd all be in a better place.


So would the sheep.
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Now I know the origin of the family name *Ramsbottom*.
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Don't even ask how the Farquharsons got their name.
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John D'Oh
Oct 27 2011, 10:21 AM
Don't even ask how the Farquharsons got their name.
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Joseph Farquharson liked the sheep.
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I was under the impression they came from a long line of nomadic Farquars in a remote and arid region of Scotland.
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Renauda
Oct 27 2011, 10:37 AM
I was under the impression they came from a long line of nomadic Farquars in a remote and arid region of Scotland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Farquharson
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Clan Farquharson of Invercauld is a Highland Scottish clan. The clan hails from Aberdeenshire and is a member of the Chattan Confederation.
“Weeds are flowers, too, once you get to know them.”
~A.A. Milne
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So other than the part about arid, I was essentially right.
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Renauda
Oct 27 2011, 10:41 AM
So other than the part about arid, I was essentially right.
Indeed, Renauda. Are you familiar with the work of Joseph Farquharson?
“Weeds are flowers, too, once you get to know them.”
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I wonder if they are related to the Farkel Family.

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brenda
Oct 27 2011, 10:44 AM
Renauda
Oct 27 2011, 10:41 AM
So other than the part about arid, I was essentially right.
Indeed, Renauda. Are you familiar with the work of Joseph Farquharson?
No, our family originates in West Yorkshire just over the road and across the bridge from the Ramsbottom's in Calderdale.
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Article (hat tip Quirt):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/27/linda-wall-virginia-lesbian-affair_n_1034914.html

She "ex-gay"?
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Renauda
Oct 27 2011, 10:37 AM
I was under the impression they came from a long line of nomadic Farquars in a remote and arid region of Scotland.
Were they Mortar Farquars?
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Axtremus
Oct 27 2011, 11:15 AM
Refreshing to see a politician actually own up to something like this. Around here, we don't get that (Sen. Bob Packwood, Mayor/Gov. Neil Goldschmidt, Mayor Sam Adams, Rep. David Wu).
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Renauda
Oct 27 2011, 10:11 AM
Now I know the origin of the family name *Ramsbottom*.
I hear that the Ramsbottoms really love a good round of Sheepshead!
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