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Be Ye Not Gay
Topic Started: Oct 25 2011, 05:32 PM (3,708 Views)
Jolly
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Interesting...

http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=36412
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Kincaid
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Seems to rely too heavily on claims that can't be tested. Now, Eric Holder says that being gay is "immutable", but aren't there some claims that sexual orientation is something that can change over time? I'd be curious to know if anyone has checked to see if there are people that grew up feeling heterosexual and then later had homosexual attraction.
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Jolly
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I'd have to see the original study.

Yet, I find interesting the stone cold fact that sexual orientation is not biological destiny.
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Mikhailoh
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The majority of sexual activity takes place between the ears, so I have to believe much is learned as opposed to determined.
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John D'Oh
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There's not much in life that is biologically destined, in my opinion, however I find the thinking and mind-set behind this article very sad. It's not hard to imagine the pain and damage caused in families where well-meaning parents try to 'fix' their gay children.
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Jolly
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John D'Oh
Oct 26 2011, 04:49 AM
There's not much in life that is biologically destined, in my opinion, however I find the thinking and mind-set behind this article very sad. It's not hard to imagine the pain and damage caused in families where well-meaning parents try to 'fix' their gay children.
If they are truly gay, can they be fixed?

And if they are not gay, is it not better that they be heterosexual?


Lastly, I'll trot out an old saw of mine - If we cannot identify an aggrieved class with any level of certainty, should we enact laws to give relief to a class of people we cannot identify?
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Jolly
Oct 26 2011, 06:33 AM
John D'Oh
Oct 26 2011, 04:49 AM
There's not much in life that is biologically destined, in my opinion, however I find the thinking and mind-set behind this article very sad. It's not hard to imagine the pain and damage caused in families where well-meaning parents try to 'fix' their gay children.
If they are truly gay, can they be fixed?

And if they are not gay, is it not better that they be heterosexual?
I'd rather my children were happy with themselves, and not loaded down with massive amounts of guilt about their sexuality, be it straight or gay.
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Mikhailoh
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OK, but what if they really go off the reservation - you know, like their Da-a-a-a-d?
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John D'Oh
Oct 26 2011, 04:49 AM
There's not much in life that is biologically destined, in my opinion, however I find the thinking and mind-set behind this article very sad. It's not hard to imagine the pain and damage caused in families where well-meaning parents try to 'fix' their gay children.
and it's interesting when bigoted parents are fixed by their own children turning out to be gay.

Bless all their hearts.
it behooves me to behold
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Jolly
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apple
Oct 26 2011, 06:41 AM
John D'Oh
Oct 26 2011, 04:49 AM
There's not much in life that is biologically destined, in my opinion, however I find the thinking and mind-set behind this article very sad. It's not hard to imagine the pain and damage caused in families where well-meaning parents try to 'fix' their gay children.
and it's interesting when bigoted parents are fixed by their own children turning out to be gay.

Bless all their hearts.
I'm glad you think parents should not help their children.
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jon-nyc
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It seems odd to me that Baptist Press is touting this as a big victory. The sample set consists exclusively of people who felt guilty about or uncomfortable with their homosexuality and actively wanted to rid themselves of it, and still less than 1/4 were straight (or in straight relationships at any rate) when it was through.
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Jolly
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jon-nyc
Oct 26 2011, 07:25 AM
It seems odd to me that Baptist Press is touting this as a big victory. The sample set consists exclusively of people who felt guilty about or uncomfortable with their homosexuality and actively wanted to rid themselves of it, and still less than 1/4 were straight (or in straight relationships at any rate) when it was through.
You're kinda missing the point...for some time, we have been told that being gay is not a choice. You're born that way, get used to it.

If the study is correct, it shows that being gay is not biological destiny. Not for all.

If that be the case, then this does become a big deal. Do you change laws and societal norms based on an ephemeral condition?
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I don't think it sheds any light on the subject - there have been gay people who have lived outwardly straight lives for ages.
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By your logic the mere existence of gay people would prove that heterosexuality is not congenital.
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apple
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Jolly
Oct 26 2011, 07:21 AM
apple
Oct 26 2011, 06:41 AM
John D'Oh
Oct 26 2011, 04:49 AM
There's not much in life that is biologically destined, in my opinion, however I find the thinking and mind-set behind this article very sad. It's not hard to imagine the pain and damage caused in families where well-meaning parents try to 'fix' their gay children.
and it's interesting when bigoted parents are fixed by their own children turning out to be gay.

Bless all their hearts.
I'm glad you think parents should not help their children.
and ....why may i ask, should kids not help their parents..? who will probably end up in diapers anyway if they are so blessed.

Seriously I would have much more anguish having a child that turned out to be a smug bigot about homosexuality.

Go gays!
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Mikhailoh
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You can be bigoted for something too, apple. Certainly by the standard you set.
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apple
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like what? i am pretty standardized i guess.. opinionated and such but i do try to empathize with all types of people.
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Translation: shove it up yer ass, Mik. :lol2:
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Mikhailoh
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:lol2:
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Jolly
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jon-nyc
Oct 26 2011, 07:49 AM
By your logic the mere existence of gay people would prove that heterosexuality is not congenital.
If so, would not the reverse be true?
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jon-nyc
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Well by the logic you outlined, yes. But it seems faulty to me.


There's no reason why a handful of guilt-ridden religious homosexuals changing their behavior is inconsistent with congenital or even genetic origins of homosexuality. Just like there's no reason why a handful of heterosexuals changing their behavior (say in prison, on a ship, after a bad marriage, etc) is inconsistent with genetic origins of heterosexuality.
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Renauda
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Jolly
Oct 25 2011, 05:32 PM
Actually it is boring and trite. :lol2:
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jon-nyc
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:lol2:
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John D'Oh
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They should run a survey to determine whether religious belief is curable, or whether it's genetic. After all, a large number of people appear to have similar religous beliefs to their parents.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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jon-nyc
Oct 26 2011, 07:49 AM
By your logic the mere existence of gay people would prove that heterosexuality is not congenital.
How does that eliminate the possibility that homosexuality is not a matter of formation/nurture/developmental patterning?
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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