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Oh no!!! NASA just blew a hole in the "Global warming" argument; Whatever will Algore and his puppets do now?....
Topic Started: Jul 28 2011, 06:14 AM (901 Views)
Larry
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But the consensus is that increased CO2 will lead to increased temperatures, it's not just possible to determine with perfect accuracy how much how soon.


You see, the problem is that that is *not* the consensus. Now they're predicting that we're about to enter an ice age.

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If you're sitting on a ticking bomb and you don't know whether it's going off in 1 minute or 10, isn't it prudent to climb off it as soon as you can?


If we were sitting on a ticking bomb I might agree with you - but we're not, and all the "science" that claims we are is based on what we now know to be false data.

Bundle up Al, it's gonna get cold.......
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The earth's magnetic pole is moving.

I think we ought to stop that problem, first.
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Go ahead and try. I'm very interested in hearing what you are going to do about that.

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Jul 29 2011, 05:00 PM
Go ahead and try. I'm very interested in hearing what you are going to do about that.

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Oh, about the same thing we are going to do about greenhouse gases.
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We're going to reduce our emission of magnetic poles?
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Jul 30 2011, 03:53 AM
We're going to reduce our emission of magnetic poles?
Nah, but there's nothing we can do about it.

Much like the emission of greenhouse gases. If you bring jobs and money to a third world country, you do about what you want to, environmentally speaking. As richer countries try to curtail emissions, they'll just be upped somewhere else.

Go stick your finger in water, remove it and analyze the hole. That's the difference one makes...
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Global policies can encourage green technology use in developing world countries by offering trade incentives and penalities associated with their usage/lack of usage.

In many instances it's the developing world that is likely to be affected most severely by climate change hence there is already an incentive there to offset use of initially cheaper fossil fuel based alternatives.

Some developing countries can directly economically benefit from the transition to renewable based energy supplies as they have the requisite resources - e.g. solar plants setup through African deserts exporting the solar derived electricity generated. Further the green tech boom is a huge economic opportunity which is why places like China are investing heavily in it.

The Western world is responsible for the rise in atmospheric anthropogenic carbon. We risk damning the future and being damned by them in return if we shirk the responsibility for ameliorating it's influence. And we would bury our heads in the sand for what? Some tiny percentage less in economic growth? FFS.
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Green tech will never get off the ground until it is cost competitive with existing technologies.

Until then, it's a pipe dream.
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Green tech can become competitive with existing technologies via policy decisions that help fund it and increase the cost of existing non-renewable energy sources.

Green tech won't become cost competitive in time if we just sit back and do nothing because the market can't solve the tragedy of commons (unless you try and sell off the atmosphere).
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Jul 30 2011, 07:39 AM
Green tech can become competitive with existing technologies via policy decisions that help fund it and increase the cost of existing non-renewable energy sources.

Green tech won't become cost competitive in time if we just sit back and do nothing because the market can't solve the tragedy of commons (unless you try and sell off the atmosphere).
No, then you're not letting the technology stand on its own feet, but you are slelecting a less efficient system. And having people pay extra for it.

No, let every tub set on its own bottom. If green technology is equivalent or better, people will embrace it and use it.
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Moonbat, reading your last two posts I now understand which religion you've chosen. You see, we all have a religion. You have chosen the religion of Environaziism..

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If you let "every tub set on it's own bottom" then there would be no ozone layer because CFCs would have destroyed it (they were cheaper than the alternative refrigerants), industry would dump all manufacturing waste into the rivers because it's cheaper to do that than process the waste into something more environmentally benign.

Unhindered "efficiency" would completely destroy the world we live in.

You pay extra to avoid damaging the environment we share with one another and future generations.
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Moonbat, reading your last two posts I now understand which religion you've chosen. You see, we all have a religion. You have chosen the religion of Environaziism..


If you would like your children to be able to see rivers that aren't completely dead due to industrial contaminants you're a Nazi. If you'd like future generations to be able to breathe without gas masks you're a Nazi. If you'd like millions of people in the subcontinent not to suffer terribly from increased flooding and droughts, you're a Nazi. If you'd like the protective layer that reduces rates of skin cancer to remain in place, you're a Nazi.

I'm not any kind of Nazi, on the other hand you are almost every kind of idiot.
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but your religion is how a known..... hahahahahahaha
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but your religion is how a known..... hahahahahahaha


Ok so I'm a man who rejects every anthropomorphic description of nature. I have no time for Gaia, or mother nature, or any of these hopeless descriptions. I'm not anti nuclear power. I think the world "natural" is pretty meaningless. I think the world and the biosphere that we observe is a complex meta stable chemical system far from equilibrium driven by the sun and that nothing about it is intended to be this way it is. (Rather the way it is merely result of various processes.) I'm a man who completely rejects the idea that natural (whichever somewhat confused definition is being used) equates to good. A man who is resolutely anti neo-Luddite and champions our technological and scientific growth. I am a man who supports (atleast in principle) the radical reengineering of pretty much the entire world. (Include genetic engineering of us and everything else).

And you want to assign me to the religious environmental movement?

Yeah that makes perfect sense.
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Well, at least you've admitted that the environmental movement is a religion.

Now all that's left is for you to figure out that you're down on your knees at its altar..
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Well, at least you've admitted that the environmental movement is a religion.

Now all that's left is for you to figure out that you're down on your knees at its altar..


I think a subset of those who speak out strongly about the environment can be loosely described as "religious" or atleast display a religious kind of mentality. That doesn't mean everyone who makes any argument in favour of conserving some aspect of the environment is like that. Any arguments made should be evaluated on their own merit. I don't give a damn about altars wherever they may be found.
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Right.......
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Yep. I usually am.
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Hey you even used the same number of dots.

Consistency win.
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Can't fault Larry for consistently thinking that you're right, I suppose. :D
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Jolly
Jul 30 2011, 08:09 AM
Moonbat
Jul 30 2011, 07:39 AM
Green tech can become competitive with existing technologies via policy decisions that help fund it and increase the cost of existing non-renewable energy sources.

Green tech won't become cost competitive in time if we just sit back and do nothing because the market can't solve the tragedy of commons (unless you try and sell off the atmosphere).
No, then you're not letting the technology stand on its own feet, but you are slelecting a less efficient system. And having people pay extra for it.

No, let every tub set on its own bottom. If green technology is equivalent or better, people will embrace it and use it.
Hey Jolly, look up "the tragedy of the common," would you.

It really is an important concept vitally pertinent to understanding economics and public policy making.
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Jul 30 2011, 11:14 AM
Can't fault Larry for consistently thinking that you're right, I suppose. :D
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Jul 30 2011, 11:16 AM
Hey Jolly, look up "the tragedy of the common," would you.

It really is an important concept vitally pertinent to understanding economics and public policy making.
It's actually "tragedy of the commons", and while it is an interesting (albeit somewhat fearmongering) theory, it does not automatically override a whole lot of other aspects about living in society to allow the collective to coerce the individual or to restrain the social interactions that create any market.
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