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Banning kids is a growing movement
Topic Started: Jul 27 2011, 06:54 AM (656 Views)
kenny
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http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/parenting/the-no-kids-allowed-movement-is-spreading-2516110/

What's the matter with kids today and why doesn't anyone want them around? In June, Malaysia Airlines banned babies from many of their first class cabins, prompting other major airlines to consider similar policies.

Lately, complaints about screaming kids are being taken seriously, not only by airlines, but by hotels, movie theaters, restaurants, and even grocery stores.

Earlier this month, McDain's, a Pittsburgh area restaurant that banned kids under 6 became a mascot for the no-kids-zone movement.

According to a Pittsburgh local news poll, more than half of area residents were in favor of the ban. And now big business is paying attention.

"Brat bans could well be the next frontier in destination and leisure-product marketing," writes Robert Klara in an article on the child-free trend in AdWeek.

Klara points to Leavethembehind.com, a travel website for kid-free vacations, with a massive list of yoga retreats, luxury resorts and bargain hotels around the world that ban children.

"Call me a grinch, a misanthrope, a DINK (dual-income-no-kids), or the anti-cute-police, but I hate (hate a thousand times over) ill-behaved children/infants/screaming banshees in upscale restaurants (ok, anywhere, really, but I don’t want any death threats)," writes Charlotte Savino on Travel and Leisure's blog. She lists a slew of a popular destination restaurants with kid-free areas and policies for travelers looking for quiet vacation dining.

Traveling is one thing, but what about in kids' own hometowns? Should kids been banned from local movie theaters, like they were at a recent adults-only Harry Potter screening? In Texas, one cinema chain has even flipped the model, banning kids under six altogether, except on specified "baby days".

Even running errands with toddlers may be off limits. This summer Whole Foods stores in Missouri are offering child-free shopping hours and in Florida, a controversy brews over whether kids can be banned from a condominium's outdoor area. That's right, some people don't even want kids outdoors.

When did kids become the equivalent of second-hand smoke? Blame a wave of childless adults with money to spare. "Empty nesters continue to wield a huge swath of discretionary spending dollars, and population dips in first-world countries mean more childless couples than ever," writes AdWeek's Klara.

Catering to the child-free community may be good for business but is it good for parents? It could help narrow choices and make kid-friendly environments even kid-friendlier. And let's be honest, babies won't miss flying first class. They won't even remember it. But their moms and dads will.

Most parents with young children have self-imposed limits on spending and leisure. This new movement imposes limits set by the public. And the public isn't as child-friendly as it used to be. As businesses respond to their new breed of 'first-class' clientele, are parents in danger of becoming second-class citizens?
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jon-nyc
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Kids are made up, and sometimes agreed upon.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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kenny
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Kids are.
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I am curious abut the legality of it in the US. Could you ban elderly people?
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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kenny
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How bout ugly people?
Muslims?
Christians?
Atheists?

And what about only hiring Asians to be waiters at a Chinese restaurant?

How bout Hooters only hiring young women with big boobs?
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kenny
Jul 27 2011, 07:22 AM
How bout Hooters only hiring young women with big boobs?
Well that's ok, I think that's in the constitution.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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kenny
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jon-nyc
Jul 27 2011, 07:25 AM
kenny
Jul 27 2011, 07:22 AM
How bout Hooters only hiring young women with big boobs?
Well that's ok, I think that's in the constitution.
But big boobs may lead to the manufacture of kids, which are banned.
Let's sue.
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Larry
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It's Bush's fault.
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kenny
Jul 27 2011, 07:29 AM
Let's sue.
hey.
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jon-nyc
Jul 27 2011, 07:25 AM
kenny
Jul 27 2011, 07:22 AM
How bout Hooters only hiring young women with big boobs?
Well that's ok, I think that's in the constitution.
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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This doesn't surprise me at all.
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kenny
Jul 27 2011, 07:22 AM
How bout ugly people?
Muslims?
Christians?
Atheists?

And what about only hiring Asians to be waiters at a Chinese restaurant?

How bout Hooters only hiring young women with big boobs?
I fully support a private business (e.g., restaurant) setting their own policies.
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Jul 27 2011, 07:59 AM
kenny
Jul 27 2011, 07:22 AM
How bout ugly people?
Muslims?
Christians?
Atheists?

And what about only hiring Asians to be waiters at a Chinese restaurant?

How bout Hooters only hiring young women with big boobs?
I fully support a private business (e.g., restaurant) setting their own policies.
How about refusing service to blacks?
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Yup.

A private business should have the right to set their own policy. Let the market respond.

For example, I wouldn't go to a place that discriminated against blacks. But I would go to a place that didn't allow children, if I was looking for a quiet environment.
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Interesting. Let me just say I'm glad your opinion is a minority one. (no pun intended :silly: )
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Larry
Jul 27 2011, 07:29 AM
It's Bush's fault.
I can find no fault with bush whatsoever. :smokin:
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See, people directly point to the "what about blacks?" argument. Which is a natural reaction, I guess.

I just think if a place wants to have a women-only rule, or men-only rule, or 55+ discount in movie theaters, or no-kids policy, etc.......... they should be allowed. I know race is a sensitive issue, but objectively (at least, IMO), I dont see any difference between discriminating based on race, and discriminating based on age, clothing, gender, etc. And I think private establishments should be allowed to set their own policies.
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Agreed. Discrimination is no longer regionally institutionalized in this country.
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Jul 27 2011, 09:03 AM
See, people directly point to the "what about blacks?" argument. Which is a natural reaction, I guess.
My guess is if it's a protected class, no can do. IE sex, race, age, etc...

Last I looked, kids are not a protected class. Ban the rugrats. Everywhere. Noisy little buggers.
Identifying narcissists isn't difficult. Just look for the person who is constantly fishing for compliments
and admiration while breaking down over even the slightest bit of criticism.

We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
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Giving elderly folks discounts at the movie... age discrimination, no?

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kenny
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Just about everyone discriminates against dead people.
You can't bring them to restaurants, theaters, and you can't even take them to public swimming pools.

It's not fair.
What about equality for the dead?
It's not their fault their dead, well most of them.
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Most Bed and Breakfast Inns have had a "no children under 12" rule for years. Nothing new there.

“Weeds are flowers, too, once you get to know them.”
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Improviso
Jul 27 2011, 09:14 AM
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Jul 27 2011, 09:03 AM
See, people directly point to the "what about blacks?" argument. Which is a natural reaction, I guess.
My guess is if it's a protected class, no can do. IE sex, race, age, etc...

Last I looked, kids are not a protected class. Ban the rugrats. Everywhere. Noisy little buggers.
Yes, but that "protected class" is only a positive law argument -- you can't do it because the law says so. The question has to do with the *validity* of the law. The positivist can only say that whatever law is enacted by the authority is therefore binding on human action -- you can't do X because we say so -- and so apart from the law saying so there is no grounds for prohibiting the action. So if kids were legislated as a "protected class" -- which is already pretty much a given once you include "age" -- then there is no ground for any more discussion.

This is the problem with "protected class" status -- anything or nothing can be defined as that, which makes law just a matter of raw politics with no bearing on how healthy human relationships *should* be ordered by law.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Minnesooota used to have smoking and non-smoking sections in restaurants. What if ....
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Jul 27 2011, 09:17 AM
Giving elderly folks discounts at the movie... age discrimination, no?

Not at all. It's a reward for surviving 6 decades of bull$hit. :D
Identifying narcissists isn't difficult. Just look for the person who is constantly fishing for compliments
and admiration while breaking down over even the slightest bit of criticism.

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