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Oslo bombing; ...multiple explosions
Topic Started: Jul 22 2011, 08:22 AM (1,754 Views)
Luke's Dad
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Agreed John. We should also not make it a thread to say fvck off to Kenny.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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ivorythumper
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kenny
Jul 24 2011, 11:29 AM
It is astonishing how effectively this one person has altered the future political landscape and the balance of power for a generation of Norway.
He wiped out a lot of his opponent's political DNA (children of left politicians) in a few hours.

Sick and evil as it was, it was very effective, brilliant even. (Calm down; I am not praising him!)
Besides elimating future politicians of that party he has instilled fear of retaliation into the surviving politicians.
Having your children murdered HAS to affect you, especially if you have other children you'd like to see survive.

This will move Norway to the right, towards xenophobia and intolerance of diversity.

I can't help suspecting that a few TNCRers are privately cheering.

Interesting -- the murderer shows that he was critical of the way Islam treated homosexuals, and seems to be pro-homosexual -- I wonder if was motivated by that?
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According to two studies supports 13% of young British Muslims between 15 and 25 Al
Qaeda ideology. UK representative for Norway, so I would guess that at least 15-20% of
Norwegian Muslims support murder of gays. There is certainly no fewer that supports the
killing of gays than to support Al Qaeda.


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It is strange why they never learn from historical examples? Kulturmarxister have much in
common with Muslims, but at the end of the day the matter considered by the Ummah as
gudshatende and gay-loving infidel, which is incompatible with Islam. The result is that they
once again will be betrayed by the Ummah.


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Bawer is NOK is not right person to work as a bridge builder. He is a liberal anti-jihadist and
not a cultural conservative in many areas. I have my suspicions that he is too paranoid (in terms
of its gays orientation). It seems that he fears that "cultural conservatives" are going to be a
threat to gays in the future. He refuses, therefore, to seize their opportunity to influence these in
a positive direction? This seems completely irrational.


Are you cheering, Kenny, knowing that he might have killed so many in the name of tolerance and diversity and for his pro-homosexual agenda?

The dogma lives loudly within me.
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John D'Oh
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Please folks, can we not do this over this tragedy?
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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HOLY CARP!!!
John D'Oh
Jul 24 2011, 01:55 PM
Please folks, can we not do this over this tragedy?
thank you.
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ivorythumper
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Sure -- it would be a great idea if Kenny retracted his outrageous insults implied against anyone here.
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Yes, it would. However, if he doesn't do so, let's not continue this.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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ivorythumper
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Agreed.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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kenny
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Wow. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14267007
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Luke's Dad
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Kenny, please stop making this forum into a platform for the freak. Several others have already expressed their desire to prevent exactly what you just did.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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kenny
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ZOOOOOM!
Just put his ass on ignore. It's not at all worth the aggrevation or the thread derailment.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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sue
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Luke's Dad
Jul 24 2011, 08:15 PM
Kenny, please stop making this forum into a platform for the freak. Several others have already expressed their desire to prevent exactly what you just did.
? I, for one, just wished for anything not directly involved with this horrific slaughter, to be put aside. I don't see Kenny's posting :uparrow: anything but more information. Information I appreciate.
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sue
Jul 24 2011, 09:22 PM
Luke's Dad
Jul 24 2011, 08:15 PM
Kenny, please stop making this forum into a platform for the freak. Several others have already expressed their desire to prevent exactly what you just did.
? I, for one, just wished for anything not directly involved with this horrific slaughter, to be put aside. I don't see Kenny's posting :uparrow: anything but more information. Information I appreciate.
You think a comment like this is "more information."

kenny
 
I can't help suspecting that a few TNCRers are privately cheering.


You've got to be referencing something else.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Aqua Letifer
Jul 24 2011, 09:28 PM
sue
Jul 24 2011, 09:22 PM
Luke's Dad
Jul 24 2011, 08:15 PM
Kenny, please stop making this forum into a platform for the freak. Several others have already expressed their desire to prevent exactly what you just did.
? I, for one, just wished for anything not directly involved with this horrific slaughter, to be put aside. I don't see Kenny's posting :uparrow: anything but more information. Information I appreciate.
You think a comment like this is "more information."

kenny
 
I can't help suspecting that a few TNCRers are privately cheering.


You've got to be referencing something else.
yes, I was talking about his last post; the one above LD's comment.
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Yeah okay fair enough.

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D'Oh had a point, it's better not to get into it.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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kenny
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http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/07/24/vonat.youtube.norway.shooter.cnn?&hpt=hp_c2
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kenny
HOLY CARP!!!
What this man did can serve as a wake up call for all of us.

Intolerance of diversity is an ugly thing and we ALL must fight in ourselves.
I think is it a primitive tendency that's in our DNA left over from back when it meant survival of our group for limited resources.

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Yeah, he was intolerant of the Muslims for their intolerance against homosexuals. So I guess that should be a wake up call to you about being more tolerant of people who are against homosexuals. And freemasons of course.
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George K
Jul 24 2011, 01:02 PM
Klaus
Jul 24 2011, 12:57 PM
I believe that Norway has a similar system as Germany (where the limit is 25 years) - namely the device of preventive custody (called Forvaring in Norway). If the official punishment runs out, but the detainee is still considered a threat to society, he or she can be put in preventive custody indefinitely (until he or she is no longer considered a threat).
So, the law says we can only lock you up for a maximum of 21 years, unless we feel that you're a danger - in which case, detainment can be indefinite. Do I have that right?
Yes. Officially, preventive custody is no "punishment", which means that he or she has some additional rights while in jail (such as: wearing ones own clothes, or being located in a separate part of the jail), but he can be locked up indefinitely (subject to review of the custody every two years). The details will differ in Norway, but I believe they have a similar system.

"Danger", of course, means danger when he/she would be released - which means that there are few 85 year old detainees with bad eyesight.
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Klaus
Jul 24 2011, 11:21 PM
Yes. Officially, preventive custody is no "punishment", which means that he or she has some additional rights while in jail (such as: wearing ones own clothes, or being located in a separate part of the jail), but he can be locked up indefinitely (subject to review of the custody every two years). The details will differ in Norway, but I believe they have a similar system.

"Danger", of course, means danger when he/she would be released - which means that there are few 85 year old detainees with bad eyesight.
Thanks for the clarification, Klaus. I see your point about an elderly terrorist (though I'm sure the truly devoted ones would/could still pose a danger to society.

But I find it interesting that this approach is basically what the US does, but backwards. In the US, a conviction will earn a sentence which can be, upon review by a parole board, lessened, once the board decides that there's no further danger to society. It would seem that in your system, the board has the option of prolonging the sentence, once the time has passed for the "official" incarceration to end. The "right" to wear non-prison clothing doesn't make it any less a prison. It would seem to me that this has the potential for being capricious, because one never really *knows* if he might be found to be a danger, and then have to spend another two years upon the whim of a bureaucrat. Under the US system, one knows that he's going to spend ten years (let's say), and can *hope* that he'll get out early.

Different sides of the mirror, I suppose.
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kenny
Jul 24 2011, 09:41 PM
What this man did can serve as a wake up call for all of us.

Intolerance of diversity is an ugly thing and we ALL must fight in ourselves.
I think is it a primitive tendency that's in our DNA left over from back when it meant survival of our group for limited resources.

I find it interesting that, within hours of the attack, at least one jihadist movement took credit for the horror.

WHat fundamentalist Christian group took credit?

It's easy to slam those with whom you disagree and paint everyone with the same broad brush. Just as those who, at first, speculated that this was a job done by jihadists, were wrong, the glee with which the press is reporting that Breivik was supposedly a fundamentalist Christian is obvious.

The same media that "tut-tut'ed" us with the Fort Hood shootings when the question of religion was brought up is now waving the banner of Christian fundamentalism and saying that there's a problem.

Please.
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Jul 25 2011, 04:13 AM
kenny
Jul 24 2011, 09:41 PM
What this man did can serve as a wake up call for all of us.

Intolerance of diversity is an ugly thing and we ALL must fight in ourselves.
I think is it a primitive tendency that's in our DNA left over from back when it meant survival of our group for limited resources.

I find it interesting that, within hours of the attack, at least one jihadist movement took credit for the horror.

WHat fundamentalist Christian group took credit?

It's easy to slam those with whom you disagree and paint everyone with the same broad brush. Just as those who, at first, speculated that this was a job done by jihadists, were wrong, the glee with which the press is reporting that Breivik was supposedly a fundamentalist Christian is obvious.

The same media that "tut-tut'ed" us with the Fort Hood shootings when the question of religion was brought up is now waving the banner of Christian fundamentalism and saying that there's a problem.

Please.
And, conversely, some of the same people that are now saying that this guy was a lone gunman were also saying 'It's time to do something about all the muslims until they get their house in order' when they thought that he was a jihadist.

It flows in both directions.
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George K
Jul 25 2011, 04:13 AM
I find it interesting that, within hours of the attack, at least one jihadist movement took credit for the horror.
Same thing happened with Ok. City, IIRC.
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Jul 25 2011, 03:45 AM
Klaus
Jul 24 2011, 11:21 PM
Yes. Officially, preventive custody is no "punishment", which means that he or she has some additional rights while in jail (such as: wearing ones own clothes, or being located in a separate part of the jail), but he can be locked up indefinitely (subject to review of the custody every two years). The details will differ in Norway, but I believe they have a similar system.

"Danger", of course, means danger when he/she would be released - which means that there are few 85 year old detainees with bad eyesight.
Thanks for the clarification, Klaus. I see your point about an elderly terrorist (though I'm sure the truly devoted ones would/could still pose a danger to society.

But I find it interesting that this approach is basically what the US does, but backwards. In the US, a conviction will earn a sentence which can be, upon review by a parole board, lessened, once the board decides that there's no further danger to society. It would seem that in your system, the board has the option of prolonging the sentence, once the time has passed for the "official" incarceration to end. The "right" to wear non-prison clothing doesn't make it any less a prison. It would seem to me that this has the potential for being capricious, because one never really *knows* if he might be found to be a danger, and then have to spend another two years upon the whim of a bureaucrat. Under the US system, one knows that he's going to spend ten years (let's say), and can *hope* that he'll get out early.

Different sides of the mirror, I suppose.
We have the device to relase a prisoner earlier, too - I think that's complementary to preventive custody. In fact, I believe that a prisoner could in principle even be released ahead of schedule while at the same time being put in preventive custody [no idea whether this happens in practice, though].

Preventive custody is meant to prevent "ticking bombs" running around. It is mostly employed for sexual offenders, where it is considered very likely that somebody would, say, be raped and killed if the prisoner is released. How do you deal with these cases in the US? (I guess the answer is that these guys would get a life-time/death penalty anyway and hence the problem does not arise).

It is a deliberate restriction of the freedom of the detainee to save the public. It is only used very sparingly (I think almost only in homicide cases), and only if the detainee has already demonstrated that he can be very harmful to society. Hence I believe that it is acceptable, given the alternative of releasing ticking bombs.
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Jul 24 2011, 11:14 PM
Yeah, he was intolerant of the Muslims for their intolerance against homosexuals. So I guess that should be a wake up call to you about being more tolerant of people who are against homosexuals. And freemasons of course.
So we're intolerant of a guy shooting people because he's intolerant of the immigration of some muslims who are intolerant of homosexuals and non-muslims who are intolerant of a guy shooting people because he's intolerant of the immigration of some muslims who are intolerant of homosexuals and non-muslims who are intolerant of a guy shooting people because he's intolerant of the immigration of some muslims who are intolerant of homosexuals and non-muslims who are intolerant of a guy shooting people because he's intolerant of the immigration of some muslims who are intolerant of homosexuals and non-muslims who are intolerant of a guy shooting people because he's intolerant of the immigration of some muslims who are intolerant of homosexuals and non-muslims who are intolerant of....

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