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Hooray for the Klan!; The Ku Klux Klan, that is...
Topic Started: May 31 2011, 06:00 PM (590 Views)
Jolly
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Geaux Tigers!
You have got to be the ultimate losers to make the Klan look good...

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/05/30/arlington.cemetery.protesters/index.html?hpt=T2
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Mark
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HOLY CARP!!!
Again with the X is worse than Y so Y is good!

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
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Bull-Carp
Even a blind pig...
Wag more
Bark less
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Mikhailoh
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
Well, not so fast. Do you think it is wrong for white people to believe there is a danger to their race and to promote their own well-being? If so, why? We have Hispanic groups, Jewish Defense League, NAACP. What is wrong with caucasians not wanting to become a downtrodden group and taking action toward that goal?

That said, they did pick a bad name for their group. But.. if the KKK can transform into a group that advocates positive change for their members, why not?
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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jon-nyc
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So the Klan's just misunderstood?

Wow, Mik.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Mikhailoh
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No, Jon. But if it can transform from what it has traditionally been that's progress.

And there's not a thing wrong with caucasians standing up for what they believe.
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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jon-nyc
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In the sense that the first amendment protects everyone even the Klan and Fred Phelps I suppose you're right.

But I won't go from there to saying 'there's nothing wrong' with the Klan or Phelps agitating for their visions. Those visions are obscene and should be resisted by anyone with half a brain and a little bit of character.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Mikhailoh
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
I'm not advocating for their positions.
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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jon-nyc
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You seem to be teetering - there's nothing wrong with caucasian supremacist groups since its ok for whites not to want to be downtrodden? That's pretty much what you said.
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John D'Oh
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Since when have white people been downtrodden? Sometimes the stuff I read here makes me wonder whether I've fallen into an alternate reality.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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John D'Oh
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Mikhailoh
Jun 1 2011, 12:45 AM
That said, they did pick a bad name for their group. But.. if the KKK can transform into a group that advocates positive change for their members, why not?
To the careful observer, it might appear that the fact that they want to name themselves after a bunch of murderous thugs might give something away about their true intentions?
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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JBryan
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There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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John D'Oh
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What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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The 89th Key
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Jolly - that's funny, in that video you can see the bushes (hedge) behind the Westboro people. That video was taken on Monday, but on Sunday I was actually right there, watching some of the rolling thunder come through. I know this because you can see the cut through in the bushes that I used to walk up to the road (otherwise you have to walk way around using the sidewalk).

Ok carry on...
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John D'Oh
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Never trust an organisation that has men wearing pointy hats with Wizards running it. It's a only couple of short steps away from flying Ford Anglias and homosexual headmasters!
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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blondie
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I remember living in Alabama, seeing 'Adopt a Mile' clean-up signs on the highways, those sponsored by the Klan. Being Canadian, landing in Alabama, knowing just a tiny bit of civil rights history, driving through on by Tuscaloosa, these signs were an odd thing for me to see.
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Aqua Letifer
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Mikhailoh
Jun 1 2011, 12:45 AM
Well, not so fast. Do you think it is wrong for white people to believe there is a danger to their race and to promote their own well-being? If so, why? We have Hispanic groups, Jewish Defense League, NAACP. What is wrong with caucasians not wanting to become a downtrodden group and taking action toward that goal?

That said, they did pick a bad name for their group. But.. if the KKK can transform into a group that advocates positive change for their members, why not?
I'm with you in general but I get hung up on the specifics.

"White" is not a race (a group of persons related by common descent or heredity), in my book. Germanic would be a race; take your pick of which tribe. Scandinavian would be a race; feel free to further define as you see fit. Picts and Celts, those too are races. "White" to me doesn't cut it because these groups are way too different. You don't say something like "eh, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, they're all the same," do you? Course not. Ask D'Oh what he thinks of lumping Brits up with the French.

That said, you sure bet we get to celebrate our heritages, whatever they may be. We do it multiple times a year, especially during Easter and Christmas. Since they're a mix of Christian beliefs and Pagan rituals (and heck, our Jewish friends party it up at the same time, how convenient!), we get darn near everyone represented.

I think we're absolutely entitled to celebrate our heritage, and not in an "I suppose it's all right but only because technically the Constitution has to allow it" kind of way, I think it's a good thing as well.

But in the words of Fat Mike, "Don't Call Me White."
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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brenda
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After a long, hard Minnesooota winter, you're lucky if people only call you white. Usually they call you pasty white. YMMV
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John D'Oh
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Jun 1 2011, 09:28 AM
Ask D'Oh what he thinks of lumping Brits up with the French.
I don't even like being lumped in with people from London.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Renauda
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JBryan
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Copper
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Jun 1 2011, 09:28 AM

I'm with you in general but I get hung up on the specifics.

"White" is not a race

I'll go out on a limb here and say that you are purposely talking about two different things.

Whether white is a race or a group the effect is the same. Other non-white "races" get specific preferential treatment from the government.

And other races or colors form groups to purposefully promote themselves by color or race. "Whites" (whatever they are) can't do this without risking being condemned as klanish.

But you know all that.



The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Renauda
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HOLY CARP!!!
I know a lot of Scots who take pride in being referred to as clanish and not just a little imperialistic.
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Wim
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The concept of 'human race' has often been used by antropologists who followed the ideas of Johann Friedrich Blumenbach (1752-1840), Blumenbach also invented the (then) common names like 'caucasian' (often called European or white race) 'mongoloid', 'American' and 'Ethiopian'(later Negroid). These terms were originated geographically rather than genetically. Modern genetic insight however is even wondering -based on dna-analysis- whether chimpansees shouldn't be considerd as belonging to the human race (species i.e.).

'Race' is not a very good concept to be used in discussions as almost everyone interprets this term in a different way.

Wim
Edited by Wim, Jun 1 2011, 11:53 AM.
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Copper
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Wim
Jun 1 2011, 11:52 AM

'Race' is not a very good concept to be used in discussions as almost everyone interprets this term in a different way.


Yes, haplogroups are much more scientifically correct - based in DNA analysis.

I am in haplogroup H.

You can find yours here: https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/lan/en/journey.html

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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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