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| Doctor Question; Knock out drugs | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 30 2011, 04:11 AM (1,346 Views) | |
| taiwan_girl | May 30 2011, 04:11 AM Post #1 |
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Fulla-Carp
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This is one of those friend of a friend stories. Supposedly, a friend of a friend was drugged and robbed in a ladies toilet. In the toilet, she was approached by two women who rubbed some kind of fast-acting drug to her arm which made her very woozy. She came to sometime later in the toilet stall when some concerned bystanders noticed the door was not locked and shook her awake. Sounds kind of fishy to me. I would be surprised that there would be something that could be rubbed on the skin that could knock out a person so fast. I know that there are solvents and things that can be absorbed into the skin very quickly, but is there really something that could be added that could knock someone out in an instant? There are so many variables that would seem to make this impossible (amount of dose, etc.), especially with someone who is not cooperating. |
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| George K | May 30 2011, 05:01 AM Post #2 |
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Finally
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There's nothing that can be absorbed through the skin that rapidly. Sedating someone without IV access is difficult, unless you put it in their drink. Even then, it takes a while to work. |
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| Mikhailoh | May 30 2011, 05:22 AM Post #3 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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No mention on Snopes. I'm surprised. |
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| bachophile | May 30 2011, 05:55 AM Post #4 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Mashal see under: assasination attempt; description of the operation |
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| George K | May 30 2011, 06:14 AM Post #5 |
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I assume levofentanyl is similar in potency to carfentanyl. I've never heard of it, and searches come up very sketchy - most referring to the assassination attempt. Carfentanyl was supposedly used in the Moscow theater hostage situation a few years back. Carfentanyl works when inhaled as well as intravenously. It is available as a veterinary sedative. Nasty, potent, and lethal, it needs to be handled with EXTREME care, for if it gets in your bloodstream, you're dead. From the Wiki, it doesn't mention transdermal application. Other sources say that it was delivered via some kind of injection. Another source says this:
More here: Clicky With respect to carfentanyl, it's said that veterinarians never open the stuff without a syringe of Narcan drawn up and ready to go should they accidentally get in contact with the stuff. It's that fast. There's a story, probably apocryphal, of a vet who was going to sedate a horse, found dead halfway to his car. He didn't draw up the Narcan. Although fentanyl (not levofentanyl or carfentanyl as far as I can see) is absorbed transdermally (see Duragesic patch), it takes hours to build a blood level for analgesia, and it lasts for hours after being removed. I doubt that either of these analogues would be absorbed transdermally (developing transdermal fentanyl was a big, big deal), or that they would work that quickly. Edited by George K, May 30 2011, 06:52 AM.
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| blondie | May 30 2011, 06:53 AM Post #6 |
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Bull-Carp
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Well you mentioned it, but this was my original thought. A fentanyl patch, slapped on a drunk girl, could work fast enough. |
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| George K | May 30 2011, 06:56 AM Post #7 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl Even under optimal conditions: Drunk girl, warm skin, etc - I can't see it working that fast. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| blondie | May 30 2011, 07:03 AM Post #8 |
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Bull-Carp
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Really? There's no faster acting ones? How about those lolipop things you give to kids? That's sublingual. |
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| George K | May 30 2011, 07:11 AM Post #9 |
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Yep, the sublingual works fast - about 10 to 15 minutes. It's also probably a lot easier to get than carfentanyl or levofentanyl. I suppose you could sneak it into a drunk girl at a bar. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| kenny | May 30 2011, 07:28 AM Post #10 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Larry, which one do YOU use.
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| Jolly | May 30 2011, 10:08 AM Post #11 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Depends upon which mucous membranes y'all are shootin' for, I reckon... |
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