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| If the rapture really happens tomorrow . . .; AKA . . . the Good Bye Thread | |
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| KlavierBauer | May 23 2011, 12:34 PM Post #201 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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No need to perpetuate my mistake above - I admitted making it, we can all move on now. To answer your question, yes - Martin Luther was most definitely still part of the catholic church after he left the Catholic church, as are all Christians. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Larry | May 23 2011, 12:35 PM Post #202 |
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The word "catholic" means "universal". To a Catholic, "universal" means "We are the one true church, and all the rest of you are just uninformed people who have strayed from the one true church". I reject that completely. I am NOT Catholic, catholic, nor am I part of the "universal church" as defined by the Catholic Church. |
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| Frank_W | May 23 2011, 12:37 PM Post #203 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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KB, I'm sorry. You are wrong. |
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| KlavierBauer | May 23 2011, 12:37 PM Post #204 |
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Larry: That definition was part of the church prior to catholicism or any "ism" within the church. It's the term that describes everyone who recites the Nicene Crede - all Christians, not Catholics, Orthodox, Prebyterians, Baptists, Evangelicals, E-Free, or anyone else - it's all of them. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Larry | May 23 2011, 12:37 PM Post #205 |
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See? This is what I utterly reject. |
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| KlavierBauer | May 23 2011, 12:38 PM Post #206 |
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About what specifically, there have been lots of posts in the last few minutes, and without quotes it's getting hard to know whose saying what, as evidenced by confusion on the last page. I'm wrong about the meaning of "catholic Church" in the Nicene Crede? |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Larry | May 23 2011, 12:38 PM Post #207 |
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That is your definition of it. It is NOT mine. |
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| Frank_W | May 23 2011, 12:39 PM Post #208 |
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So, since when is The Catholic Church more important than following Christ? |
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| John D'Oh | May 23 2011, 12:41 PM Post #209 |
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I was taught that what KB is saying is the correct interpretation of the word 'catholic'. Then again, I've heard some people appear to claim that the Church of England isn't a Christian church. |
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| KlavierBauer | May 23 2011, 12:42 PM Post #210 |
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It isn't, and I don't think any Catholic would say it is. By the way, not many here know this, but I'm not a Catholic so I'm not the best person to answer this. I'm speaking about the catholic Church, rather than the Catholic Church. The Universal Church of Christ is the Christian church - all of the 16,000 denominations that profess some variant of the Nicene Crede, or adhere to what are considered to be the Faith's fundamental tenants. Catholic (little c) does not refer to one belief or denomination, but to the Faith as a whole, with all of its disagreements and squabbles contained therein. One can disagree with it all they want, but there's little point, as it doesn't pigeonhole anyone. Rather the term seeks to include all Christians. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Larry | May 23 2011, 12:44 PM Post #211 |
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I'm sorry that you're reading that into it, but you are mistaken. You are confusing bluntness with scoffing. KB is free to believe whatever he wants to believe. He's free to explain why he believes that. I'm just as free to show him why I disagree with his views. Nothing I have said is meant in a personalized way, as I'm sure none of his used car salesman style back handed swats back were meant in a personal way, either. |
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| Luke's Dad | May 23 2011, 12:44 PM Post #212 |
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My aw geez wasn't to Frank's post. I believe what KB's stating is that there's the catholic church, which is the casis for all Chrustian Churches, then there's the Catholic Church which is one form or descendant of the catholic church, as is all other forms of Christianity. |
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| Frank_W | May 23 2011, 12:44 PM Post #213 |
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I see.... Perhaps this interpretation only makes sense to someone who has been raised Church Of England or Catholic. It certainly isn't one that I've ever heard, before. Here's my point: The term, "Christian," means a follower of Christ. Wouldn't that trump all titles and distinctions and denominational differences? One would hope so... Therefore, if someone is a member of the Catholic church, the Baptist church, the Episcopalians, the Methodists, etc. etc., it seems to me that all of these would fall under the umbrella of the term, "Christian," since they all claim to follow Jesus the Christ, and this would trump "The Church," no matter what it called itself. |
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| Larry | May 23 2011, 12:45 PM Post #214 |
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Frank, I do believe you're starting to "get it"...... lol |
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| Luke's Dad | May 23 2011, 12:45 PM Post #215 |
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Ok, my post got hung up in cyberspace for 10 minutes. just ignore it. |
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| Luke's Dad | May 23 2011, 12:47 PM Post #216 |
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And where do the Nazarenes fit into all of this?
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| Frank_W | May 23 2011, 12:48 PM Post #217 |
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No, I've always gotten it. And I have no axe to grind with Catholicism or Catholics, and maybe the title, "catholics" makes sense to other Catholics, but it's not anything I've ever heard any other denomination ever accept or preach or perpetrate. |
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| KlavierBauer | May 23 2011, 12:48 PM Post #218 |
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Sure, but in 364 there weren't thousands of branches of Christianity. There were a few sects believing slightly different variations from one another, but still all within the "Universal" christian church. This is what the term "catholic" means. The fact that the Roman Catholic denomination contains the same word may be part of the confusion - but the definition of the word is the same. The term "catholic church" has been used since early on to describe the Christian Church as a whole, and there may be simpler ways to say it, but for whatever reason that is the term that has been used for 1700 years or so. The Orthodox are notorious for using much bigger words than necessary. |
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| Frank_W | May 23 2011, 12:49 PM Post #219 |
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The simplest term: Christian.
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| Larry | May 23 2011, 12:49 PM Post #220 |
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Frank, you have it correct. The notion that there is a "little c catholic" and that all Christians are "catholic" is a Catholic argument designed to say in essence, "you're all Catholics, you've just strayed from the fold. WE are the ONE AND ONLY TRUE CHURCH". They are not. In fact it is my opinion that the Catholic Church is the one that has strayed, and is only recently beginning to find its way back. |
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| John D'Oh | May 23 2011, 12:50 PM Post #221 |
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The term 'catholic' without the capitalisation means 'universal'. That's the whole point - it includes all Christians. The fact that Roman Catholics may mean something different when they use the word is irrelevant, at least as far as the Church of England is concerned. Let's face it, there hasn't exactly been a long history of friendly co-operation between those two organisations
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| Frank_W | May 23 2011, 12:50 PM Post #222 |
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Well, like I said, I have no axe to grind with anyone, and I suspect that all of these differences really don't mean a lot to the Almighty Lord & God Of The Entire Universe. |
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| Frank_W | May 23 2011, 12:51 PM Post #223 |
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John...
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| KlavierBauer | May 23 2011, 12:55 PM Post #224 |
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Do you make these things up as you go? I try to debate things with you and take the time to formulate arguments and responses thinking that there is some equal ground there, all of the time telling myself that your personality is difficult to interact with, but that what you're trying to say is valid and perhaps correct, so I should listen. But then you say things like this above, and it makes me think that you perhaps have absolutely no idea what you're talking about with regards to Christian History. Put subjective Theology aside - I understand we each believe different things - but the word "catholic" isn't used by the "Catholics" to make all other Christians subservient to them, and is demonstrable by language and history! The term used to describe the Universal Church by the earliest Christians at the first Ecumenical Council predates the Roman Catholic church's division (and therefore existence) by 700 years. Did Catholics go back in time to insert the idea of a Universal Church into the Nicene Creed to dupe us all? I'm really wondering why I try to have these discussions - I'm thinking you just copy/paste everything from whatever conspiracy site you happen to find yourself on, with no genuine understanding or interest in what's actually being discussed, aside from waiting for enough silence to speak again. Repeatedly debating Catholicism with me over the last 3 pages is a very good, and hilarious example of this. |
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| Axtremus | May 23 2011, 01:00 PM Post #225 |
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In all fairness, Larry has long professed, on many occasions, that he is a heathen. Why are folds still trying to pit him in the catholic church?
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