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If the rapture really happens tomorrow . . .; AKA . . . the Good Bye Thread
Topic Started: May 20 2011, 01:21 PM (12,117 Views)
John D'Oh
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Oh, he's in deep sh!t now. He's getting his Canadian babes mixed up.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Frank_W
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What? :lol:
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sue
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:lol2: yeah, I wondered about that, but am not one to turn down a squeeze from a good looking guy. I may be old, but I'm not dead yet. :devilgrin:
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Renauda
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John D'Oh
May 24 2011, 08:49 AM
I've been lighthearted for the entire discussion. It's all the religous people who got all pissed off about God-knows-what - it does my heart good to see so many rancours, as the man with the speech impediment said to the Bishop.
There's a photo of a Rocky Mountain rancour embedded in post #60.
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sue
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May 24 2011, 08:44 AM
sue
May 24 2011, 07:58 AM
Kenny started a light hearted post rapture thread. He's hardly to be blamed for the christian vs christian battling that ensued.
Not at all. This thread was never intended to be lighthearted. I called it in the second post.
well now see, I thought your post was light hearted as well. Surely nobody was taking this rapture thing seriously!
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Copper
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Frank_W
May 24 2011, 07:58 AM
This is Kenny's typical and constant behaviour, though. :shrug: Honestly, I don't think he knows how to behave like a mature and sensitive human being. He talks a good game about tolerance and respect, and yet, is entirely unfamiliar with the most basic notions of those concepts.

No real need to point this out.

Everyone here has watched this behavior for years.

A sad case.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Larry
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That's just a few examples for starters. But that's as far as I'm going. I'm just telling you that throughout this thread, you've shown that, even leaving theological discussion off the table for a moment, when it comes to having an accurate understanding of the history of the scriptures and the church, you really don't know what you're talking about.



What I'm talking about is the fact that the apocryphal books are not and never were included in the Jewish Bible. Can you show otherwise? That would be very interesting if you could.

Next, perhaps you could explain how nearly 300 years after the fact a Christian church decided they had the right to say what is and is not Old Testament scripture.

Perhaps you don't know as much as you think you do, Dewey.

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Axtremus
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blondie
May 24 2011, 07:49 AM
Axtremus
May 24 2011, 07:47 AM
blondie
May 24 2011, 07:44 AM
Yes,
Kenny started this sh*t.
Like again.
Say, did you use the word "like" in the contemporary teen parlance sense or the Facebook sense?
Get an account sweetie.
Seriously.
If you insist ... ok, just for you:

http://www.facebook.com/axtremus

:wave:
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ivorythumper
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Larry
May 24 2011, 05:15 AM


Let's see... let's first say thank you to Gutenberg for putting what had previously been only written on scrolls into a bound book form.
The Gutenberg was the first printed bible. There had been centuries of hand scribed book bibles before that. These were also bound in books. So we see you made another error in trying to address the error you first made, which you never really answered about how these books were supposedly not found in bibles before the 16th century, etc.

But as I said, let's move past that and get to the real discussion.

You claimed that infant baptism is against the teaching of the bible, and that the Catholic Church is wrong to teach that it is something that we should do. So your thesis is:

Infant baptism is wrong and anti-scriptural, and the Catholic Church is wrong to teach it

You also claimed that the Scripture teaches that the Eucharist is not really the Body and Blood of Christ and that the Catholic Church is wrong to teach that it is. So your thesis is:

The bread and wine used in the Christian liturgy are not really the Body and Blood of Jesus, but only a metaphor (/hypothetical, I am still not sure what you mean by that), and this teaching is anti-scriptural and the Catholic Church is wrong to teach it.


You are supposed to prove both of these from using only bible texts. You can start whenever your ready.

The dogma lives loudly within me.
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blondie
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Axtremus
May 24 2011, 09:15 AM
blondie
May 24 2011, 07:49 AM
Axtremus
May 24 2011, 07:47 AM
blondie
May 24 2011, 07:44 AM
Yes,
Kenny started this sh*t.
Like again.
Say, did you use the word "like" in the contemporary teen parlance sense or the Facebook sense?
Get an account sweetie.
Seriously.
If you insist ... ok, just for you:

http://www.facebook.com/axtremus

:wave:
For real?
Finally.
This is good.
:)
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Larry
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The Gutenberg was the first printed bible. There had been centuries of hand scribed book bibles before that. These were also bound in books. So we see you made another error in trying to address the error you first made, which you never really answered about how these books were supposedly not found in bibles before the 16th century, etc.


I can see that I cannot let the slightest detail go by without writing a 12 pages thesis on each and every possible angle that you or Dewey can use to misdirect the discussion and divert attention away from the issue.

The apocryphal books would be part of the Old Testament. You admitted that already. They are not found in the Jewish Bible. Surely you won't disagree with me that the Old Testament is the Jewish Bible. They were included in the Septuagint for their historical value only, and were not considered to be scripture. I have already shown that to be the case.

So the ONLY point that *I* have made is that any theological discussion that I engage in will be based on what is considered to be inspired scripture, and the apocryphal books are NOT considered to be inspired scripture, and never were by anyone other than the Catholic Church.

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Axtremus
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blondie
May 24 2011, 09:21 AM
Axtremus
May 24 2011, 09:15 AM
blondie
May 24 2011, 07:49 AM
Axtremus
May 24 2011, 07:47 AM
blondie
May 24 2011, 07:44 AM
Yes,
Kenny started this sh*t.
Like again.
Say, did you use the word "like" in the contemporary teen parlance sense or the Facebook sense?
Get an account sweetie.
Seriously.
If you insist ... ok, just for you:

http://www.facebook.com/axtremus

:wave:
For real?
Finally.
This is good.
:)
Fair disclosure: I should tell you that I do not trust Facebook when it comes to privacy, so I really don't put any personal stuff there at all.

But, yeah, that's a real Facebook account.
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Larry
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Now IT, before I address the issue of infant baptism, please tell me what you believe the purpose of baptism to be. I do hope you don't give me the argument you did earlier where you claimed that baptism replaced circumcision.

What is the purpose of baptism, IT? Dewey, you might as well tell us what you think its purpose is as well, I'm not in the mood to have to swat every little fly you throw at me later.

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Axtremus
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Frank_W
May 24 2011, 07:58 AM
This is Kenny's typical and constant behaviour, though. :shrug: Honestly, I don't think he knows how to behave like a mature and sensitive human being. He talks a good game about tolerance and respect, and yet, is entirely unfamiliar with the most basic notions of those concepts.
You would be wrong on that count. I've met Kenny in real life a few times, I even visited him in his home, broke bread with him, played his pianos, and listened to him play his guitars and sing. Kenny is actually quite pleasant to hang around with in real life. :)
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Frank_W
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It's puzzling to me that someone can be one way in "real life," and be completely different, online.
Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!"
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Frank_W
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You could have a wallet made of circumcised foreskins, and if you were traveling, you could just rub it a little, and it would turn into a valise! :)
Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!"
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blondie
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@ Ax:
re FB,
Ya Ya. Ya-okay. But now we can tease each other :D
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Axtremus
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blondie
May 24 2011, 09:39 AM
But now we can tease each other :D
Oh ... so that's what I've been missing all this time. :unsure:
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ivorythumper
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Larry
May 24 2011, 09:14 AM
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That's just a few examples for starters. But that's as far as I'm going. I'm just telling you that throughout this thread, you've shown that, even leaving theological discussion off the table for a moment, when it comes to having an accurate understanding of the history of the scriptures and the church, you really don't know what you're talking about.



What I'm talking about is the fact that the apocryphal books are not and never were included in the Jewish Bible. Can you show otherwise? That would be very interesting if you could.

Next, perhaps you could explain how nearly 300 years after the fact a Christian church decided they had the right to say what is and is not Old Testament scripture.

Perhaps you don't know as much as you think you do, Dewey.

Larry, these are all found in the Septuagint (the Greek word for 70 -- often noted as LXX) -- the Greek translation of the Hebrew texts which were complied before Jesus -- around 300 BC, . You really need to understand this, since it show beyond doubt that these seven other books were found in the Hebrew bible before Jesus.

The thing that puzzles me is how *you* personally can claim to know what is or is not "divinely inspired" scripture. The history of the biblical scholars arriving at a definitive "canon" is a complicated area of study. On what basis do you accept the Book of Hebrews or the Book of James (which were disputed in the early Church) but reject the Epistle of Barnabas (which was accepted in the early Church)? My guess is that you accept what is "divinely inspired" because it is in your King James Bible. Am I wrong?
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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blondie
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Axtremus
May 24 2011, 09:44 AM
blondie
May 24 2011, 09:39 AM
But now we can tease each other :D
Oh ... so that's what I've been missing all this time. :unsure:
Okay, there are a few swimsuit pics there if you dig deep enough. I rotate them every so often. Don't laugh too hard.
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John D'Oh
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Frank_W
May 24 2011, 09:36 AM
It's puzzling to me that someone can be one way in "real life," and be completely different, online.
I'm a humourless sh!thead in real life. Make of that what you will.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Optimistic
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ivorythumper
May 24 2011, 09:48 AM
Am I wrong?
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Sorry, carry on!
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:lol2:


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ivorythumper
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Larry
May 24 2011, 09:27 AM
Now IT, before I address the issue of infant baptism, please tell me what you believe the purpose of baptism to be. I do hope you don't give me the argument you did earlier where you claimed that baptism replaced circumcision.

What is the purpose of baptism, IT? Dewey, you might as well tell us what you think its purpose is as well, I'm not in the mood to have to swat every little fly you throw at me later.

No Larry.

The point of this is I am giving you an opportunity to prove the Catholic Church is wrong, where you get to use scripture to do so.

So you get to define those terms first, using only scripture -- both baptism in general and infant baptism, and the Eucharist.

And I get to answer, using only scripture.

You can start when your ready.
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Larry
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I think it is fair that you state what the Catholic view concerning baptism is, because I do not intend to continue shooting at moving targets.

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