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| If the rapture really happens tomorrow . . .; AKA . . . the Good Bye Thread | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 20 2011, 01:21 PM (12,120 Views) | |
| Frank_W | May 23 2011, 07:12 PM Post #301 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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Kenny constantly does this, Brenda. It's childish, boorish, and piggish, but he simply can't help himself. He's been doing it for years, now. And yes, it's meant to be belittling, derisive, and insulting. |
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| brenda | May 23 2011, 07:18 PM Post #302 |
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Yer messin' with ma head, Frank! I just checked, and it's been umpteen many pages ago since I posted in this thread. Maybe you thought Dewey's comment was from me? But I was thinking about you just now, so maybe it's telepathy?? That would be pretty cool, eh? I always like it when you think of me. Thanks anyway!
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| Frank_W | May 23 2011, 07:21 PM Post #303 |
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Absolutely! Actually, I thought you were asking, but I was posting in reply (as I look back) to IT's query. My mistake. Sorry...
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| taiwan_girl | May 23 2011, 07:31 PM Post #304 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Boy, this has been a good thread. A lot of interesting discussion, passion, etc. Just a couple of points from the outside. - my (limited) understanding is the the group of Christian religions is catholic with a small c. The Catholic church (with the pope) is one of the Christian religions and was the first(?) one. I think this is what KB, Dewey and IT were saying. - interpretation of the Bible. This is where faith comes in. As long as you are good person and treat your fellow man with kindness and respect, you will have your reward after you pass on.
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| Luke's Dad | May 23 2011, 07:32 PM Post #305 |
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Emperor Pengin
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Yes, but there's such a thing as tough love.
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| Frank_W | May 23 2011, 07:34 PM Post #306 |
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I guess that's why I'm pretty glad that the Bible isn't God's first, last, or only words to the human race. God still speaks. Most people don't know how to listen, or their way of praying to God is to treat God like some sort of Cosmic Santa with super powers, or something. |
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| Dewey | May 23 2011, 07:38 PM Post #307 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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A few years ago, the UCC came up with what I thought was a terrific ad campaign/slogan:
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"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14 | |
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| Frank_W | May 23 2011, 07:39 PM Post #308 |
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| ivorythumper | May 23 2011, 07:44 PM Post #309 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Yep, that's why he gave us apostolic succession...
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| Larry | May 23 2011, 07:50 PM Post #310 |
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Kenny, I like you. Don't be condescending. Dinner date is code word for "we're going out to eat." I am not discussing anyone's personal life, I'm discussing theology. Don't jump in the middle of something you know nothing about to drop personal turd bombs. |
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| kenny | May 23 2011, 08:10 PM Post #311 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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IOW you screw women you are not married to while you pontificate that you, "just following the Bible". I don't care. Just tell the truth about it. I tell the truth. |
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| bachophile | May 23 2011, 08:28 PM Post #312 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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not sure i understand all the argument. obviously christianity originated in judaism, and that it saw itself as the heir of judasim and its true expression. the drama of jesus' life is full of jewish motifs . maybe similar to how mormonism sees itself as an extension of chirstianity, although that analogy has its limits. as most jews did not accept this claim, christianity eventually became a religion preached to gentiles. in jesus' day, he did not preach a new religion. he directed his teaching to the people aound him, and in and of themeselves his teachings were not necessarily revolutionary, but rather pedagogic. all this based on the accounts of the synoptic gospels. all the christologiocal drama, form creation to the end of days, and its message for all the world, is much more a product of the later additions to the new testament. the gospels tell of the faith of jesus. later we find about the faith in jesus. at least thats my reading, although im not very well versed in the new testament, ill admit frankly and openly. as for the immaculate conception, dont ask me, what do i know of these things, but i do remember this quite well. |
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| Dewey | May 23 2011, 08:37 PM Post #313 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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bach, that's a very good post. My only comment would be that while you're right, the gospels tell us of the faith *of* Jesus while the "later" (i.e., later in the canon) books deal with faith *in* Jesus, the chronology is the opposite: most of the "later" books were actually written before, or in a few cases, roughly simultaneous with, the writing of the gospels. Only a few came after the writing of the earliest gospels. Just two cents.
It's been said that everything that Jesus taught was found in one place or another in the Hebrew Bible, except for possibly loving one's enemies - and even that can be seen in God's sending Jonah to try to call the Ninevites - enemies of the Israelites - to repentance and salvation. |
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"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14 | |
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| bachophile | May 23 2011, 08:52 PM Post #314 |
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tnx for your input |
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| Larry | May 23 2011, 08:57 PM Post #315 |
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IT, let me lay some ground rules also. I am not making any personal statements about you or anyone else. I am only discussing theology. There will be no Catholics in heaven, IT. There won't be any Protestants there either. There will only be those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, and their religion won't have anything to do with it. So as we go forward, please fight the urge to take what I say personally. It's not meant that way. I would have no problem attending a Catholic church, because I believe there are lots and lots of very devout Catholics. In fact, I would go to a Catholic Church before I'd go to a Presbyterian church, but that's a whole other issue.... ![]() Also, please don't stoop to the "fundamentalist" smear, and I won't refer to fish eaters or mackerel snappers.... ![]() Also, to continue with one of your rules, I will expect you to only use scripture in your arguments as well. That means just that scripture which is recognized as divinely inspired, not your church history writers or apocryphal writings. They have no place in a theological discussion, I do not view them as scripture, so we'll stick with what is accepted as scripture and leave the rest out of it. |
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| ivorythumper | May 23 2011, 08:57 PM Post #316 |
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bach -- doesn't the notion that the temple would no longer be the locus of the jewish faith but rather be now identified with the person and the body of Jesus make for such a radical redefinition of the covenant that it really is tantamount to a new religion? |
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| Larry | May 23 2011, 09:01 PM Post #317 |
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Kenny, I like you. Shove your condescending personal swipe up your ass. |
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| ivorythumper | May 23 2011, 09:02 PM Post #318 |
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I will certainly use the full OT testament, whether you accept those books or not, the Church has for 2000 years. So the two questions that you have to argue from scripture are 1) Infant baptism is wrong and anti-scriptural, and the Catholic Church is wrong to teach it. 2) The bread and wine used in the Christian liturgy are not really the Body and Blood of Jesus, but only a metaphor, and this teaching is anti-scriptural and the Catholic Church is wrong to teach it. Is that a fair statement of your positions? |
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| Larry | May 23 2011, 09:07 PM Post #319 |
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In other words, you plan to resort to using the apocryphal books. Those books are not accepted as divinely inspired writings, and it doesn't matter to me if the Catholic Church has accepted them for 2,000 years or not, you will not use them in a theological discussion with me, because I will not accept it any more than the original church accepted it. |
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| Larry | May 23 2011, 09:08 PM Post #320 |
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Metaphor was a bad choice of words. What I should have said was "hypothetical". |
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| garrett2 | May 23 2011, 09:13 PM Post #321 |
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Sorry to interject. Does that mean that you automatically dismiss anything/everything in the Old Testament? |
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| ivorythumper | May 23 2011, 09:52 PM Post #322 |
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No Larry, they are not apocryphal. they are really the Bible. The early Church widely, if not universally accepted them. They were only fully rejected by Protestants in the 16th and 17th century (of course, Luther wanted to reject the Epistle of James, just to show you how everything that opposed the protestant preconceptions was suspect). But just for the sake of giving you an advantage ![]() |
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| ivorythumper | May 23 2011, 09:55 PM Post #323 |
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I don't even know how "hypothetical" applies. The question regards whether Jesus was giving us his Body to eat and his Blood to drink -- either actually or only symbolically/ metaphorically. The Catholic position is that he really meant it and that is the actual reality of the Eucharist. Your position is that he really didn't mean it, that saying he meant it is anti-scriptural, and the Catholic Church is wrong to say that he did really mean it. Is that correct? |
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| taiwan_girl | May 23 2011, 10:49 PM Post #324 |
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This is one statement that I have trouble agreement with. I do agree that there will not be any Catholics or Protestants in heaven. However, I would extend that to say that there will not be any Christians, or Muslims, or Buddhists, or Jewish, or whatever religion. There will just be good people. Assume that there is a person living in the mountains of Papau New Gineau. They have never seen a Christian nor heard of Christian religion. So, they will not go to heaven? Why should they be excluded? If Adolf Hitler said that he accepts Jesus Christ as his savior, he would go to heaven and I wouldn't? Doesnt seem to make sense to me. Not trying to be confrontational, but I do believe that god up above is better than that. |
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| Aqua Letifer | May 23 2011, 11:07 PM Post #325 |
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Indeed he is. Christain teachings do address these issues. Basically it's part of Christian belief that you're not condemned if you've never heard of Christianity and that God doesn't give in to lip service. |
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Actually, I thought you were asking, but I was posting in reply (as I look back) to IT's query. My mistake. Sorry...





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