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Obama's long-form birth certificate released
Topic Started: Apr 27 2011, 05:39 AM (1,170 Views)
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Larry
Apr 27 2011, 07:17 AM
I guess the picture of Iron Eyes means your comment was aimed at me.

Yeah it was, glad you took it in good humor.


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Let me remind you that I have never claimed he wasn't born in the US.

Of course not.
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Best comment on why he waited: “Now that Obama has released his birth certificate, it’s clear why he waited: there was no immaculate conception!”
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Again, we must remember he didn't wait. He released it in 2008. In a way its a shame he caved to the conspiracy theorists. I think Trump is correct in taking credit for that.
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No, he released something different in 2008 - the COLB. It had no signatures on it, iirc. This is supposedly the real deal.
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Another good comment: "Great news! Joe Biden is NOT the real president!" :lol2:
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Apr 27 2011, 07:17 AM
Now that I've cleared that up for you, let me point out that Iron Eyes was not a real Indian, but was of Italian ancestry.
Oh Jesus, now you birthers are claiming Iron Eyes wasn't born in the US? Who's next? Mr. Rogers? :lol2:
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Apr 27 2011, 08:28 AM
No, he released something different in 2008 - the COLB.
"In 2008, in response to media inquiries, the President’s campaign requested his birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. The state sent the campaign the President’s birth certificate, the same legal documentation provided to all Hawaiians as proof of birth in state, and the campaign immediately posted it on the internet. That birth certificate can be seen here (PDF).

When any citizen born in Hawaii requests their birth certificate, they receive exactly what the President received. In fact, the document posted on the campaign website is what Hawaiians use to get a driver’s license from the state and the document recognized by the Federal Government and the courts for all legal purposes. That’s because it is the birth certificate. This is not and should not be an open question."





So George, are you in Krauthammer's corner or Michelle Bachmann's? You were pretty silent on this. :lol2:
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Jon - people wanted to see the original birth certificate, with signatures and mention of him being a muslim and really being born in Kenya, not just the computer generated one, as official as that one might be.
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So George, are you in Krauthammer's corner or Michelle Bachmann's? You were pretty silent on this.


Remind me what Michelle Bachmann said about it?
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Ahh, you're dancing. I would have hoped you were solidly in Krauthammers corner.
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jon-nyc
Apr 27 2011, 08:48 AM
Ahh, you're dancing. I would have hoped you were solidly in Krauthammers corner.
No, I'm not dancing at all. The last time I saw Bachmann address the issue (about a week ago) she said she had no doubts about Obama being eligible. Isn't that what Kraut says? How's it different?
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She hedged and danced (check out her verb tenses in that interview last week).

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Maybe it's your verb tenses, George.
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jon-nyc
Apr 27 2011, 08:54 AM
She hedged and danced (check out her verb tenses in that interview last week).

A quick Google seems pretty unambiguous:

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To expand on that -

Bachmann was plainly walking a line - try not to scare donors and the respectable wing of her party by openly advocating the conspiracy theory, while at the same time not alienating the tin-hat crowd which she realizes is much of her base.

Krauthammer and his ilk attempted no such triangulation - they called a spade a spade.
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Apr 27 2011, 08:54 AM
She hedged and danced (check out her verb tenses in that interview last week).

I meant what I said.
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jon-nyc
Apr 27 2011, 08:58 AM
Bachmann was plainly walking a line - try not to scare donors and the respectable wing of her party by openly advocating the conspiracy theory, while at the same time not alienating the tin-hat crowd which she realizes is much of her base.
Can you link that?

Seriously, I didn't hear her say much about it, and didn't read any of her interviews.
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Stephanopoulos then showed her Obama’s certification of live birth, which Team Obama got from Hawaiian officials during the 2008 campaign. Skeptics have taken issue with that document, but it is the legal equivalent to a birth certificate in Hawaii.

"I have the president’s certificate right here," he said. "It’s certified, it’s got a certification number. It’s got the registrar of the state signed. It’s got a seal on it. And it says 'this copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.'"

Bachmann replied, "Well, then that should settle it."

"So it’s over?" the host asked.

"That’s what should settle it," she said. "I take the president at his word and I think — again I would have no problem and apparently the president wouldn’t either. Introduce that, we’re done. Move on."

"Well this has been introduced. So this story is over?" Stephanopoulos pressed.

"Well as long as someone introduces it I guess it’s over," she said, adding later, "That is not the main issue facing the United States right now."





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Here we are discussing it at the time:

http://well-temperedforum.groupee.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9130004433/m/2131017116?r=2131017116#2131017116
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You sound pretty conspiratorial in that analysis. :lol2:
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I took it that Bachmann actually didn't understand the difference between the COLB and the BC just released today.

I've not heard any conspiracy types today, so just figure this issue was polling and trending negative for Obama so he decided he had to be done toying with the birther crowd.

I also agree with Jon that this won't stop the true believers. Now maybe it will knock out perhaps 40-60% of them, but the remainder will retrench and figure the conspiracy is higher up, deeper down and more sophisticated than ever.

Finally, as there isn't anything untoward on the BC, it does appear that he was fighting this all along as long as it helped marginalize Republicans. He wasn't trying to hide anything. I'd love to know if he crafted that course way back when or if it was an adviser telling him how he could use the controversy to his advantage.
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Afterbirthers Demand to See Obama's Placenta

WASHINGTON–In the continuing controversy surrounding the president's U.S. citizenship, a new fringe group informally known as "Afterbirthers" demanded Monday the authentication of Barack Obama's placenta from his time inside his mother's womb. "All we are asking is that the president produce a sample of his fetal membranes and vessels—preferably along with a photo of the crowning and delivery—and this will all be over," said former presidential candidate and Afterbirthers spokesman Alan Keyes, later adding that his organization would be willing to settle for a half-liter of maternal cord plasma. "To this day, the American people have not seen a cervical mucus plug, let alone one that has been signed and notarized by a state-certified Hawaiian health official. If the president was indeed born in the manner in which he claims, then where is his gestation sac?" Keyes said that if Obama did not soon produce at least a bloody bedsheet from his conception, Afterbirthers would push forward with efforts to exhume the president's deceased mother and inspect the corpse's pelvic bone and birth canal.
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jon-nyc
Apr 27 2011, 09:02 AM
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Stephanopoulos then showed her Obama’s certification of live birth, which Team Obama got from Hawaiian officials during the 2008 campaign. Skeptics have taken issue with that document, but it is the legal equivalent to a birth certificate in Hawaii.

"I have the president’s certificate right here," he said. "It’s certified, it’s got a certification number. It’s got the registrar of the state signed. It’s got a seal on it. And it says 'this copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.'"

Bachmann replied, "Well, then that should settle it."

"So it’s over?" the host asked.

"That’s what should settle it," she said. "I take the president at his word and I think — again I would have no problem and apparently the president wouldn’t either. Introduce that, we’re done. Move on."

"Well this has been introduced. So this story is over?" Stephanopoulos pressed.

"Well as long as someone introduces it I guess it’s over," she said, adding later, "That is not the main issue facing the United States right now."





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How's that dancing? She can only speak for herself and her circle of influence. No intelligent person would make a declarative statement in those circumstance, regardless of Stephanopoulos' prodding .
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Actually, the intelligent people in the GOP declared it over when the certificate was produced in 2008 and verified by state authorities. Krauthammer and Will don't dance this way, because they aren't worried about placating nutters.
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