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Dear Christians,; Drop dead.
Topic Started: Apr 25 2011, 05:15 PM (346 Views)
Jolly
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Geaux Tigers!
The Marxist-in-chief has no time for Christians.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/25/obama-to-christians-forget-you/
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Mark
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He's such a bastard.
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George K
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Supposedly, no other President has made an Easter proclamation. I'm too lazy to look it up.
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Dewey
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Obama, like so many leftists, are unable to reach a consistent philosophical framework for addressing religion. Regardless of his own particular religious beliefs - whatever they may be - he falls into the absurd trap of overcompensation to minority religious faiths, in order to establish his own bona fides as an Enlightend and Tolerant Person , partnered with a shabby treating of the dominant faith of Christianity. It's an odd double standard, one of those times similar to affirmative action, when leftists, recognizing past slights to the minorities, grasp onto the ideology that two wrongs do in fact, at least sometimes make a right.

At the very least, Obama isn't the first to decline to offer Presidential pronouncements directed to the Christian faithful:

To the Rev. Samuel Miller
Washington
January 23, 1808

Sir,

I have duly received your favor of the 18th and am thankful to you for having written it, because it is more agreeable to prevent than to refuse what I do not think myself authorized to comply with. I consider the government of the U S. as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment, or free exercise, of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the U.S. Certainly no power to prescribe any religious exercise, or to assume authority in religious discipline, has been delegated to the general government. It must then rest with the states, as far as it can be in any human authority. But it is only proposed that I should recommend, not prescribe a day of fasting & prayer. That is, that I should indirectly assume to the U.S. an authority over religious exercises which the Constitution has directly precluded them from. It must be meant too that this recommendation is to carry some authority, and to be sanctioned by some penalty on those who disregard it; not indeed of fine and imprisonment, but of some degree of proscription perhaps in public opinion. And does the change in the nature of the penalty make the recommendation the less a law of conduct for those to whom it is directed? I do not believe it is for the interest of religion to invite the civil magistrate to direct it's exercises, it's discipline, or it's doctrines; nor of the religious societies that the general government should be invested with the power of effecting any uniformity of time or matter among them. Fasting & prayer are religious exercises. The enjoining them an act of discipline. Every religious society has a right to determine for itself the times for these exercises, & the objects proper for them, according to their own particular tenets; and this right can never be safer than in their own hands, where the constitution has deposited it.

I am aware that the practice of my predecessors may be quoted. But I have ever believed that the example of state executives led to the assumption of that authority by the general government, without due examination, which would have discovered that what might be a right in a state government, was a violation of that right when assumed by another. Be this as it may, every one must act according to the dictates of his own reason, & mine tells me that civil powers alone have been given to the President of the U S. and no authority to direct the religious exercises of his constituents.

I again express my satisfaction that you have been so good as to give me an opportunity of explaining myself in a private letter, in which I could give my reasons more in detail than might have been done in a public answer: and I pray you to accept the assurances of my high esteem & respect.

Thomas Jefferson
President


Jefferson was clearly not a Christian in any orthodox sense of the term. Far less so than Obama on even his most heretical of days. Yet Jefferson, whether one agrees with his decision (to not recommend a national day of fasting and prayer, as had been requested by the Reverend), gives a very reasoned and respectful reply. Even more importantly, he didn't turn around after this decision to not meddle in Christian religious affairs, and issue proclamations regarding the religious practices of Jews, Muslims, or any other religious groups. Obama's actions fail on both these points. He offers no cogent, reasoned explanation of any kind (Constitutional, personal, or otherwise) for the lack of an Easter proclamation or recognition; while he chooses to engage those of other faiths. This is not a great thinker that we're dealing with here. Rather, it's a person whose depth of reason and understanding of the proper place of religion in American life, and the relationship between it and the state, hasn't ventured into, or found any real footing in, any waters deeper than the kiddie pool.

Either that, or he just has a hardon for Christianity. Flip a coin.
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Axtremus
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Gee, you guys seems so easily offended.
Trying to form your own "Do Not Offend" chapter?
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apple
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i don't know.. He acts Christian.. with compassion.

Sarah Palin doesn't even hold her baby
it behooves me to behold
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Axtremus
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It's not like the guy didn't send a Christmas message. The Scientologists don't even get a message. How many Presidential messages do want a year? May be you need a support group, like, the Attention Whore Anonymous?
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Axtremus
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apple
Apr 25 2011, 06:17 PM
Sarah Palin doesn't even hold her baby
(off topic)

Some photographic evidence of Sarah Palin holding her baby, see http://www.google.com/search?q=palin+baby
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ivorythumper
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
That's the problem with panderers, its hard to get the pandering balance just right.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Dewey
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I only want to see the President have a cohesive, intellectually honest approach to religion. Offer equal treatment, or refuse to meddle with it at all. To be honest, my personal preference is that, like Jefferson, he'd stay away from making any proclamations, recommendations, etc., about *any* religious observances, observed by *any* particular faith. I don't recognize any authority arising from his office to engage any religious issues, other than affirming the Constitutional right to no establishment or endorsement of any particular religion, and to defend the free exercise thereof.
"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

"Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011

I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14
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ivorythumper
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perzactly, Dewey.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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George K
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apple
Apr 25 2011, 06:17 PM
Sarah Palin doesn't even hold her baby
[Jon Mode]

Link?

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Dewey
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Grazie.
"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

"Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011

I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14
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Axtremus
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Dewey
Apr 25 2011, 06:24 PM
I only want to see the President have a cohesive, intellectually honest approach to religion. Offer equal treatment, or refuse to meddle with it at all. To be honest, my personal preference is that, like Jefferson, he'd stay away from making any proclamations, recommendations, etc., about *any* religious observances, observed by *any* particular faith. I don't recognize any authority arising from his office to engage any religious issues, other than affirming the Constitutional right to no establishment or endorsement of any particular religion, and to defend the free exercise thereof.
The majority of voters do not share your preference in this matter.

Besides, "religion" is not more special than a whole hosts of other things a President need to deal with to run the federation. Why spend much intellectual cycles formulating consistent intellectual framework for "religion"? Just winging it is more attention than it deserves.

Why even bother winging it? Because the majority of voters want to believe that "religion" is important to the federation. If you don't believe me, just ask Jolly. :D
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though Mr. Obama did take time Friday to address Earth Day, a celebration observed by tens of thousands of pagan worshippers of the earth goddess Gaia.


Dear God, the author of this article is a total moron. I'll give you three guesses why we celebrate Easter during the time that we do and why we have chocolate rabbits and little colored eggs. Earth Day isn't the pagan celebration, you idiot, Easter is.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Jolly
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Equal time, gentlefolk, equal time.

If he's gonna take time to put out a statement for the Muslim Holidays, he should do likewise for the Christian Holidays.
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Aqua Letifer
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Jolly
Apr 25 2011, 07:14 PM
Equal time, gentlefolk, equal time.

If he's gonna take time to put out a statement for the Muslim Holidays, he should do likewise for the Christian Holidays.
Well, I think IT's comment about pandering is on the mark.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Axtremus
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Jolly
Apr 25 2011, 07:14 PM
Equal time, gentlefolk, equal time.

If he's gonna take time to put out a statement for the Muslim Holidays, he should do likewise for the Christian Holidays.
He did spend put out statements for Christmas. Besides, he spent considerable time doing the Easter Egg Roll thing, more time than he has spent on any other religious holiday.

If you want to complain about him not spending time putting out statement for religious holidays -- try complaining about him not putting out any statement for Scientology, Sikh, or Shinto holidays.
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Aqua Letifer
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Axtremus
Apr 25 2011, 07:28 PM
Jolly
Apr 25 2011, 07:14 PM
Equal time, gentlefolk, equal time.

If he's gonna take time to put out a statement for the Muslim Holidays, he should do likewise for the Christian Holidays.
He did spend put out statements for Christmas. Besides, he spent considerable time doing the Easter Egg Roll thing, more time than he has spent on any other religious holiday.

If you want to complain about him not spending time putting out statement for religious holidays -- try complaining about him not putting out any statement for Scientology, Sikh, or Shinto holidays.
I know you don't allow yourself to admit it, Ax, but we do have what you could call a national identity. And although everyone is free to observe whatever traditions and beliefs they choose, Scientology doesn't factor into that national identity and neither do Shinto holidays. Christianity is kind of big in the U.S., kind of important to a whole lot of people. A whole lot more people than those who observe Hatsumode. It's not at all unreasnable to ask our nation's leader to acknowledge that, if he's going to take the time to make a statement for the Muslim Holidays.

Easter Egg Rolls don't cut it. It's a White House tradition, has nothing to do with Easter itself and amounts to little more than a publicity stunt.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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sue
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Dewey
Apr 25 2011, 06:24 PM
I only want to see the President have a cohesive, intellectually honest approach to religion. Offer equal treatment, or refuse to meddle with it at all.
There you go. Really quite simple.
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Dewey
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Thanks, sue. ^_^

And Ax:

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The majority of voters do not share your preference in this matter.


Whether true or not, that has nothing to do with what *my* opinion of the issue is.
"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

"Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011

I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14
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