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Stephen Colbert on Planed Parenthood
Topic Started: Apr 14 2011, 06:36 AM (907 Views)
Axtremus
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CNN on the matter:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/04/15/avlon.kyl.truth/?hpt=Sbin
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Axtremus
Apr 15 2011, 10:55 AM
That's not "CNN" -- it is an editorial blog on CNN. Just someone else's opinion.

The fact seems to be that Planned Parenthood gets a massive amount of their income from abortions -- something like $150M a year. So even if it is "3% of their services" is it about 40% of their direct service income.

They kill lots of innocent human beings every year -- quibbling over how many or at what cost or in what percentage is a diversion.
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It's not like they're in it for the bucks, Steve. Nobody's getting rich here. Abortion is a delicate, surgical procedure. Surgical procedures are going to cost considerably more than routine exams or screenings. I really don't see why they percentage of dollars should have any bearing on the issue. The fact is, the lion's share of what they do is not abortions, but helping poor women with their health issues.
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Apr 15 2011, 05:24 PM
It's not like they're in it for the bucks, Steve. Nobody's getting rich here. Abortion is a delicate, surgical procedure. Surgical procedures are going to cost considerably more than routine exams or screenings. I really don't see why they percentage of dollars should have any bearing on the issue. The fact is, the lion's share of what they do is not abortions, but helping poor women with their health issues.
No one's getting rich on abortion? Whose kidding who? Out of $1B a year, 40% is services income and 40% of that is from abortion. They post about $63M in 2009 in "excess of revenue over expenditures" which is nonprofit-speak for profit. And Cecile Richards, the president, makes almost $400K a year which means she basically get a $1 for every human being killed through her organization.

here's your "delicate surgical procedure"...

And it really does not matter what percentage they do -- no group that kills innocent people as part of their business plan should get a dime of public funds -- or groups that systematically hide the rape of 13 year old girls. .
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Apr 15 2011, 07:26 PM
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Apr 15 2011, 05:24 PM
It's not like they're in it for the bucks, Steve. Nobody's getting rich here. Abortion is a delicate, surgical procedure. Surgical procedures are going to cost considerably more than routine exams or screenings. I really don't see why they percentage of dollars should have any bearing on the issue. The fact is, the lion's share of what they do is not abortions, but helping poor women with their health issues.
No one's getting rich on abortion? Whose kidding who? Out of $1B a year, 40% is services income and 40% of that is from abortion. They post about $63M in 2009 in "excess of revenue over expenditures" which is nonprofit-speak for profit. And Cecile Richards, the president, makes almost $400K a year which means she basically get a $1 for every human being killed through her organization.

here's your "delicate surgical procedure"...

And it really does not matter what percentage they do -- no group that kills innocent people as part of their business plan should get a dime of public funds -- or groups that systematically hide the rape of 13 year old girls. .
So, you're saying that Planned Parenthood employees are getting rich? Do you suppose any of their salaries compare with those of the wall street geniuses who brought hedge funds or the sub-prime mortgage crisis. Well, I'll help you out. Here's a chart of Planned Parenthood salaries. The average is 37K. So, I'm not sure just who it is at Planned Parenthood that you think is getting rich. If in fact 40% of the organization's income is from abortion, again, it's because it's a surgical procedure that is going to be considerably more costly than most of of their other services.

The irony is, if Planned Parenthood went under, there would be that many more unwanted pregnancies, since a huge percentage of theirs services is in providing birth control.

I don't understand why the people who obsess over 3% of their services that comprises abortions don't lend their support to the other stuff. Nothing like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Maybe it really is because they'd like to take women back to the stone ages, barefoot and pregnant.
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Kathy, it really doesn't matter if there is a discrepancy between the top earners in a money-for-killing industry vs the lower foot soldiers who do the dirty work. Nor does it matter if some mafia organization gets a huge percent of their income through "legitimate" business and some smaller percentage through loan sharking, prostitution, drugs and kiddie porn. None of that makes it a good business, nor something public funds should support.
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Guys,

The point of this thread is that Jon Kyl made false and stupid statement on the Senate floor, his office issued a stupid statement trying to fix the aforementioned false and stupid statement, and the Fox News crew made more false and stupid statement on public TV.
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Axtremus
Apr 16 2011, 04:17 PM
Guys,

The point of this thread is that Jon Kyl made false and stupid statement on the Senate floor, his office issued a stupid statement trying to fix the aforementioned false and stupid statement, and the Fox News crew made more false and stupid statement on public TV.
quibbling over percentages of blood money is hardly persuasive.
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Apr 16 2011, 04:06 PM
Kathy, it really doesn't matter if there is a discrepancy between the top earners in a money-for-killing industry vs the lower foot soldiers who do the dirty work. Nor does it matter if some mafia organization gets a huge percent of their income through "legitimate" business and some smaller percentage through loan sharking, prostitution, drugs and kiddie porn. None of that makes it a good business, nor something public funds should support.
The point, IT, is that's it's not an industry; it's a non-profit agency rendering a service and no one is getting rich from it.
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If you want to be effective, then try to stem the demand. Support contraceptive counseling - reduce abortions.
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That was interesting, an assertion was made that Planned Parenthood makes almost nothing on abortions, and that the "lion's share" of their income comes from services, then it is shown that each activity is responsible for about 40% of Planned Parenthood's income, at which point serious back-pedaling occurred, and the answer to that assertion rather than "Yeah, it looks like I'm wrong - they do indeed have a lot of money coming in from abortion," was: "You think they're getting rich? What about THE BANKERS?!?!!" (not an exact quote).

I just find that interesting. Disagree with the premise all you want - I won't fault you there, we'll just disagree, but to see pretty credible reference that your original assertion is incorrect, and to follow it with the proverbial EVIL BANKERS gambit is sort of telling.
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KB, just who do you think is getting rich at Planned Parenthood? The organization is a non-profit - it's not a person. All the money coming in goes back into the organization to do what the organization is chartered to do as a non-profit.
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You guys are focusing on the wrong things.

The point is that a sitting Senator, Jon Kyl in this case, made a false and stupid statement on the Senate floor, and his office issued a stupid statement trying to salvage the stupidity.

You should be demanding better from your elected official, much better than the stunts that Jon Kyl and his office pulled.

Similarly, as much as we like to complain about how lame mainstream media is ... don't just sit around and take it when a main stream media like Fox News said something so blatantly false and stupid.

Scorn them, laugh at them, ridicule them, condemn them. May be than they'll know to work harder at getting their facts straight, at not making false, asinine statements for political gains.
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Apr 16 2011, 04:17 PM
Guys,

The point of this thread is that Jon Kyl made false and stupid statement on the Senate floor, his office issued a stupid statement trying to fix the aforementioned false and stupid statement, and the Fox News crew made more false and stupid statement on public TV.
My God - even after it has been explained to you, you STILL don't get it.....


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Because you're the one who is wrong.
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Apr 16 2011, 05:15 PM
KB, just who do you think is getting rich at Planned Parenthood? The organization is a non-profit - it's not a person. All the money coming in goes back into the organization to do what the organization is chartered to do as a non-profit.
Oh for God's sakes, shut up you stupid twit.
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Apr 16 2011, 05:20 PM
Because you're the one who is wrong.
No, I'm not. You on the other hand, rarely have a f*cking clue.
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Apr 16 2011, 05:20 PM
shut up you stupid twit.
Take your own advise.
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KlavierBauer
Apr 16 2011, 05:04 PM
That was interesting, an assertion was made that Planned Parenthood makes almost nothing on abortions, and that the "lion's share" of their income comes from services, then it is shown that each activity is responsible for about 40% of Planned Parenthood's income,
40% of 40%, actually, which is 16% (such was the assertion, anyway).
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Kathy - "non-profit" has nothing to do with how much money anyone makes. IT already showed you someone making $400k annually, is that rich?
Whether or not anyone gets rich is beside the point though - it's not the discussion. Your assertion was that they don't make much from it - implying that it's not a focus of what they do. Turns out it's responsible for nearly half of their income - clearly a more significant role in their business model then, and certainly something that may affect business policy no?
When that was pointed out, you changed the focus to whether or not someone was rich - but asking if anyone at planned parenthood made as much as the evil bankers.
Again - it's silly, as the point was that abortion is clearly a significant part of their revenue. The fact that it's surgery and therefore costs more only helps prove that point, as the volume of actual procedures probably isn't germain to this discussion. The point is that facilitating abortions - right or wrong - is hardly some little side gig for the pap-smear/breast feeling meat of their business.
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Apr 16 2011, 05:26 PM
Turns out it's responsible for nearly half of their income - clearly a more significant role in their business model then, and certainly something that may affect business policy no?
Re-read IT's post, that wasn't his claim.

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Apr 16 2011, 05:22 PM
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Apr 16 2011, 05:04 PM
That was interesting, an assertion was made that Planned Parenthood makes almost nothing on abortions, and that the "lion's share" of their income comes from services, then it is shown that each activity is responsible for about 40% of Planned Parenthood's income,
40% of 40%, actually, which is 16% (such was the assertion, anyway).
(I really don't have a dog in this discussion, but...)

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/AR08_vFinal.pdf

PP claims 305,310 abortions (page 9)

Average cost $450 - based on what Planned Parenthood across the country has told Live Action staff

450 X 305,310 = $137,389,500

Total income (page 18) $374,700,000

137389500 / 374700000 = 36.6%

How do you get 16%, Jon?

Again, don't have a dog in the discussion - just wondering'.

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Don't have a dog in this discussion? You started the damn thread!
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