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Seriously??? This is making us safer?
Topic Started: Apr 12 2011, 07:46 AM (1,363 Views)
KlavierBauer
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HOLY CARP!!!
I for one am not delusional, thinking that the TSA agent in some way violated and/or molested the child in a sexual way - and I don't think anyone here thinks that.
It's a different idea altogether.
I'm not afraid of TSA agents violating my children - I'm sorry that my children would have to live in a society so afraid of hurting anyone's feelings, that they would sacrifice the privacy of themselves and their children for the idea of safety. Especially given that the science of profiling is accurate, and reliable enough that via hardware, software, and human interaction, many of the risk factors can be observed ahead of time, and the highest risk people pulled out of the line for this level of security check.
We're so indoctrinated to think that profiling = racism (while most are plain ignorant to what profiling is), that we won't allow high-tech solutions to scan crowds for tell-tale signs of suspicious activity - instead, we'd rather subject ourselves, our spouses, and our children to an invasion of their privacy.
That's what I find ridiculous, not the TSA agent's groping.
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kenny
Apr 12 2011, 11:59 AM
The agent did not molest the kid.
The agent explained what she was going to do to the mom and to the kid.
The agent made sure the mom had a clear view always, even asking the mom to step in front when it was time to check the front of the kid.

The agent moved her gloved hand over the entire body outside the clothing.
She even used the BACK of her hand near those embarrassing filthy disgusting special NONO places.
The agent did not linger, grope, massage, insert finger into orifices, drool, moan, orgasm or anything.

How exactly did this damage that child?

I have to admit, as much as I am in disagreement with the entire TSA approach, I was expecting much worse given the intro to the video and the comments it had received.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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John D'Oh
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From my own personal experience, it seems to me that there is more outrage over this issue among people who don't fly very often as opposed to people that do.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Frank_W
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I fly reasonably often. I used to enjoy flying. I utterly despise it, now.
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Frank_W
Apr 12 2011, 01:53 PM
I fly reasonably often. I used to enjoy flying. I utterly despise it, now.
I dislike it intensely, but it's not the security crap I really hate. It's being treated like cattle by the airlines, who have stripped costs down to the bone, and now nickel-and-dime us to death.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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kenny
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John D'Oh
Apr 12 2011, 02:00 PM
I dislike it intensely, but it's not the security crap I really hate. It's being treated like cattle by the airlines, who have stripped costs down to the bone, and now nickel-and-dime us to death.
If you don't want to be nickel and dimed to death pay 10 times more and fly first class.
Oh, wait. :silly:
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Frank_W
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Agreed, John. And ticket prices just keep on jamming right on up. Paying more for less service... It sucks, and it used to bother me when I'd hear of airlines going broke. I find that I care less and less, now.
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John D'Oh
Apr 12 2011, 01:42 PM
From my own personal experience, it seems to me that there is more outrage over this issue among people who don't fly very often as opposed to people that do.
Sure, people can get used to anything.
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Frank_W
Apr 12 2011, 10:42 AM
What is "potholing"?
At our house, it's the night we have assorted leftovers for dinner: Pothole Luck.


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Horace
Apr 12 2011, 03:34 PM
John D'Oh
Apr 12 2011, 01:42 PM
From my own personal experience, it seems to me that there is more outrage over this issue among people who don't fly very often as opposed to people that do.
Sure, people can get used to anything.
Last year I flew from Boston on the day of the 'big demonstration' at Thanksgiving, we'd all been hearing so much about. The only people at the airport who appeared to give a toss about it were the news crews.

The internet attracts people who make a lot of noise about stuff which is really, really, really important to them, particularly if they have some kind of emotional disorder, whereas airports tend to attract people who want to get on a plane and go somewhere.
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Frank_W
Apr 12 2011, 10:42 AM
What is "potholing"?
I think they call it spelunking over here, which sounds even more disgusting than potholing.
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John D'Oh
Apr 12 2011, 04:13 PM
Horace
Apr 12 2011, 03:34 PM
John D'Oh
Apr 12 2011, 01:42 PM
From my own personal experience, it seems to me that there is more outrage over this issue among people who don't fly very often as opposed to people that do.
Sure, people can get used to anything.
Last year I flew from Boston on the day of the 'big demonstration' at Thanksgiving, we'd all been hearing so much about. The only people at the airport who appeared to give a toss about it were the news crews.

The internet attracts people who make a lot of noise about stuff which is really, really, really important to them, particularly if they have some kind of emotional disorder, whereas airports tend to attract people who want to get on a plane and go somewhere.
Yeah, it's probably a sign of mental illness to express displeasure about airport screening. :yes:
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It might be if you dedicate weeks of your life to it, but never actually fly.
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John D'Oh
Apr 12 2011, 04:13 PM

Last year I flew from Boston on the day of the 'big demonstration' at Thanksgiving, we'd all been hearing so much about. The only people at the airport who appeared to give a toss about it were the news crews.


I flew to Boston that day.

The TSA basically stopped the groping for the day because of the protest.

It was effective.

There was some mild TSA embarrassment when the story got out, but it was largely ignored.
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Frank_W
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Spelunking... Also called "caving." Very cool... There are LOTS of massive caves (and sinkholes) around here.
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whereas airports tend to attract people who want to get on a plane and go somewhere.


they used to have a lot of those hare krishna people but they seemed to have dropped off the radar....

maybe they wing clipped too many people.
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bachophile:
they used to have a lot of those hare krishna people but they seemed to have dropped off the radar....


I miss the Hare Krishna. You could yell at them (at the airport), insult them, ignore them, kick 'em in the B***s, didn't matter. They'd still smile that goofy lobotomy smile - bald head and all - and then give you a red rose.

And, there were a LOT of them at one time. Wonder whatever became of them, especially those that I accosted at the airport?

Probably ended up on Wall Street. . .
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Klaus
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I don't know what the fuss is about.

Either you do search people's bodies or not. Doing it inconsistently only on some people means that it is useless in practice, because the evil-doers can then systematically make use of the inconsistency.

So if you want to be upset then you should be upset that this procedure is performed at all, on any person. Otherwise, if you prefer the security, you should get over it.
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Copper
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Klaus
Apr 13 2011, 12:31 AM

Doing it inconsistently only on some people means that it is useless in practice, because the evil-doers can then systematically make use of the inconsistency.


Only if it is done systematically.

The Brits used to have a system that randomly selected people. I don't know if they still do.

It is done inconsistently now. But given that there have been no more successful attacks it appears to be effective.

Of course maybe the "enemy" has just lost interest.

Oh, and the fuss is about intimidation, humiliation and invasion of privacy.
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kenny
Apr 12 2011, 12:10 PM
Larry
Apr 12 2011, 12:08 PM
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How exactly did this damage that child?


Psychological.

Is that real or imagined in the case on this video?
Sounds pretty real to me.

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Selena Drexel said she could only speculate as to why the 6-year-old was selected for the pat down. She said that the TSA supervisor made it clear "non-verbally" that there would be trouble if she caused a fuss.

The girl's father said that while his daughter was polite and respectful during the screening, she broke down into tears afterwards.

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Klaus
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Apr 13 2011, 05:45 AM
Klaus
Apr 13 2011, 12:31 AM

Doing it inconsistently only on some people means that it is useless in practice, because the evil-doers can then systematically make use of the inconsistency.


Only if it is done systematically.
Well, this is what has been suggest implicitly in this thread: Don't search children. That's very systematic, and easy to take advantage of.
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John D'Oh
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WHat I think they need to do is train the TSA people better, and have less of them. Throwing large numbers of poorly trained bodies at a problem isn't the way to go.

The problem isn't whether they pat down kids or not - it's the overly restrictive procedures of everthing they do, allowing no creative thought from their employees.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Horace
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Klaus
Apr 13 2011, 06:56 AM
Copper
Apr 13 2011, 05:45 AM
Klaus
Apr 13 2011, 12:31 AM

Doing it inconsistently only on some people means that it is useless in practice, because the evil-doers can then systematically make use of the inconsistency.


Only if it is done systematically.
Well, this is what has been suggest implicitly in this thread: Don't search children. That's very systematic, and easy to take advantage of.
Really, you think it would be "easy" for terrorists to find 6 year old american girls to strap explosives to?
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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Klaus
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John D'Oh
Apr 13 2011, 07:02 AM
The problem isn't whether they pat down kids or not - it's the overly restrictive procedures of everthing they do, allowing no creative thought from their employees.
Well, I am usually very much for creativity, but in this context "creativity" boils down to what security engineers call security by obscurity: Rather than having a fixed set of rules that is applied consistently, the procedure depends on various ad hoc factors such as the mood or intelligence of the TSA people.
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Frank_W
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We're doomed. The TSA agents I've seen, by and large, are right next to being complete, slobbering morons. *shaking my head...* They really scraped the bottom of the barrel to find these goons.
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