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Seriously??? This is making us safer?
Topic Started: Apr 12 2011, 07:46 AM (1,361 Views)
Improviso
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I find this absolutely disgusting. This is making us safer? Groping 6 year olds? Seriously?

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Drug testing?

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Sick.
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I guess terrorists could hide weapons on their child?

Ridiculous. They should just lock the cockpit, and tell everyone else "ride at your own risk!" It's what they do on the metro, the bus, the train, the cruise, the.....
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Apr 12 2011, 08:05 AM
...and tell everyone else "ride at your own risk!"
Considering the recent collisions on the ground, airplane skins ripping off the plane and instruments going completely out, isn't that what people are doing already?
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Ridiculous!
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
If anyone touched a kid of mine like that, I would kill them.

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Apr 12 2011, 08:16 AM
If anyone touched a kid of mine like that, I would kill them.

Bingo.
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Apr 12 2011, 08:05 AM
Ridiculous. They should just lock the cockpit, and tell everyone else "ride at your own risk!" It's what they do on the metro, the bus, the train, the cruise, the.....
+1 I've been saying this for 9 years and 7 months.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Yes, I remember you saying that too (well, at least for as long as I've known you)
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Apr 12 2011, 08:05 AM
I guess terrorists could hide weapons on their child?

Ridiculous. They should just lock the cockpit, and tell everyone else "ride at your own risk!" It's what they do on the metro, the bus, the train, the cruise, the.....
I like that idea except for the point at which I'm lining up to board the plane, and even more so when I'm waving my kids off to board theirs.

This idea of searching the kids like this is the logical extension of a lack of profiling, taken to the extreme of stupidity.

Last time I travelled to the UK I noticed a massive difference between British security and the US. The British agent asked me a number of questions, and actually had a genuine conversation with me, based on the answers I gave him. He noticed something slightly out of the ordinary regarding the address on my luggage, and asked me the reason for the discrepancy. With US security, you just get the legalistic set of rote questions, with no thought going into the process based on the person they're interviewing. I suspect that if there had been something genuinely suspicious about me, the British guy would have been much more likely to take me out back for some additional work-over.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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What is their argument for not locking up the cockpit?

My little peabrain thinks that this is the most logical way to go about it.
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Every plane I've been on, since at least 2002, the cockpit was locked.
Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
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Apr 12 2011, 08:50 AM

Last time I travelled to the UK I noticed a massive difference between British security and the US.

I went through Heathrow with my 3-year-old daughter and she was removed from the line for special handling. They emptied out her toys from her backpack and went through all her stuffed animals - she didn't like it. They said she was chosen totally at random.

My daughter is now 22 so I guess things have changed. Maybe they will here.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Friday:
Cockpits are all locked, and reinforced.
The problem is the "ride at your own risk" part.
Also, as John hinted at, the fear of profiling anyone leads us to being so "fair" in our treatment of each other, that now we grope toddlers, searching for C4 in every cavity rather than saying "hey, that guy fits the bill, let's at least search him a little closer."
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The problem is it's so easy for terrorists to adapt their strategy based on a very public reporting of security procedures.

Guy brings knife on board, caught.
Then, no knives on board.

Guy puts bombs in shoes, caught.
Then, take off your shoes in the security line.

Guy puts explosive liquid in normal sized toiletry bottle, caught.
Then, no more liquids over 3oz.

Guy puts bomb in underwear, caught.
Then, full body scanning.

Guy puts bomb in children's pockets or backpack?

Who knows...but this cycle goes on and on...
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Friday
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So what....they don't want to tell us "ride at your own risk?"

Don't we do that already?

I'm not being argumentative. Like I said "peabrain". And I haven't really paid attention to airport protocol since my kids were born.
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Passenger aircraft should be banned! They are obviously far too dangerous for anyone to ride!
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Friday: Of course we ride at our own risk.
I think what people here are saying - we should get on the plane with some reasonable level of security, and understand explicitly that we ride at our own risk - as obvious as that may seem to you and I, some people don't understand that concept.
This would be in contrast to the notion that we need Big Brother to make everything perfectly safe for us, and that we need to have our kids strip searched before getting to go see Oma.

My idea a few years back, was for a cockpit that simply disengages from the fuselage if needed, and either parachutes, or glides to safety.
Completely separate compartment that just "controls" the plane. That way, we all get on knowing we do so at our own risk, like we do whenever we get into a car, buss, train, etc. - and the plane can't be used as a weapon to harm others who haven't "opted in." If things erupt on the plane, the pilots can simply leave - cutting the engines and deploying chutes for braking, and finally top-chutes to land the fuselage - hopefully with survivors, while the pilots have disengaged and landed elsewhere unharmed.
No chance for hijack, or WMD from a plane, and no unreasonable searches. Security can be simple - bags through XRay, walk though a "sniffer" that sniffs out explosive chemicals, and that's it.
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Sure.... That's a great idea. And airfare from Chicago to Nashville, "cattle-car class," will be available for the low low price of just $15,000/seat.
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Engineer a solution, build into newer planes, and sell with the intention of more paying customers as security wait times decrease - seems feasible without making tickets extremely expensive.

The Fuselage is secondary - We all know the cockpit is the "gold" - so if you can just save that you're equally good.
Could probably be brought to market for less than the cost of a new prescription drug, and with far more "doses" across which to diffuse the cost of R&D.

It wouldn't work for idealogical reasons - not for fiscal reasons.
Edited by KlavierBauer, Apr 12 2011, 10:13 AM.
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John D'Oh
Apr 12 2011, 08:50 AM
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Apr 12 2011, 08:05 AM
I guess terrorists could hide weapons on their child?

Ridiculous. They should just lock the cockpit, and tell everyone else "ride at your own risk!" It's what they do on the metro, the bus, the train, the cruise, the.....
I like that idea except for the point at which I'm lining up to board the plane, and even more so when I'm waving my kids off to board theirs.

This idea of searching the kids like this is the logical extension of a lack of profiling, taken to the extreme of stupidity.
That's a good point, but even more basically isn't all of this the logical extension of considering human life priceless? Pricelessness doesn't have to refer to money, wouldn't it also have to refer to tens of millions of people enduring bullying from the TSA on the off chance that a few lives may be saved in the process?

As a culture we're not able to think coherently about putting lives on one end of a balance scale when the other end has only annoyance and time wasting, even for tens of millions of people and in perpetuity. I'm sure it makes us all feel warm and fuzzy that we care so deeply about what's "really important", but we do pay the price.
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