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Police Pepper Spray 8-Year-Old After Classroom Outburst
Topic Started: Apr 6 2011, 12:29 PM (622 Views)
KlavierBauer
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What use would a teacher with a gun be against an 8 year old with a pointy stick?

I have no idea - I can't even imagine in what circumstances a teacher would need a gun to take care of an 8 year old with a pointy stick! Someone who would propose that has a few screws loose.

Besides - my interview on 9news was WAY better.
Edited by KlavierBauer, Apr 6 2011, 07:18 PM.
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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John D'Oh
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When I was a kid, teachers would use wilting sarcasm. I also remember an 11 year old friend being picked up and held above the Deputy Headmasters head by his blazer collar.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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KlavierBauer
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I remember my third grade teacher grabbing a kid who flipper her off by the ear, and literally dragging him into the office.

"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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Renauda
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KlavierBauer
Apr 6 2011, 04:07 PM
My wife (an educator) thinks I'm crazy in my belief that all teachers should be trained in, and carry, non-lethal deterrents like tasers and/or pepper spray.

I think teachers have a difficult enough a job fufilling their traditional professional roles without the general public expecting them also to conduct police actions as a part of routine classroom behavior management.

Perhaps a SWAT team of retired military personnel on standby under the command of the school principal is what is needed.
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KlavierBauer
Apr 6 2011, 04:07 PM
My wife (an educator) thinks I'm crazy in my belief that all teachers should be trained in, and carry, non-lethal deterrents like tasers and/or pepper spray.
Be honest, man. She probably thinks you're crazy for a whole host of reasons.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Frank_W
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They actually have police officers in the schools, here. They are called, "SRO"s. Mostly, it's a civilian clothes gig, and they are in place at all of the schools to be a presence, and also for the kids to talk to, if they don't feel comfortable talking to a teacher or guidance counselor; particularly if they have knowledge about drug or gang stuff. It's actually a good program, and hopefully, it gives the kids a more positive perspective of law enforcement, and keeps the drug and gang activity from taking root.

I also feel that teachers should be licensed to carry, and that the firearm should be kept in a locked steel safe that they can access while taking cover, in the event of an active shooter scenario. This prevents kids from having access to the weapon, but allows the teachers to take action to protect against the loss of life, in a worst-case scenario.
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Frank_W
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And calling it an 8-year old with a pointy stick, is to belittle things, because by all accounts, this imbalanced little whack-mobile of a kid was hellbent on hurting/killing someone. There's a difference between some kid running around in his own garden with a stick and a kid who's going berserk, trying to stab other children or the teacher, in a classroom.
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John D'Oh
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He was eight, and he did have a pointy stick. I don't really have a problem with them pepper-spraying him. Where I was a kid he'd have probably got worse, but that's Church of England female schoolteachers for you. I doubt he or his stupid parents would have got an interview on TV either.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Frank_W
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Yeah, but the media plays to the lowest common denominator. The surest way to become an absolute moron, is to sit in front of the television night after night.
Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
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Apr 6 2011, 06:49 PM
KlavierBauer
Apr 6 2011, 05:03 PM
AL: Yeah - like that, but in school.
I'm going to go ahead and say I don't think that would be a very good idea.
some of the Kansas City schools are PRETTY rough.. lots and lots of fights.
it behooves me to behold
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In regards to how the cops handled this matter........ here is another:


Subject: shop lifter



Augusta, GA

Orville Smith, a store manager for Best Buy in Augusta, Georgia, told
police he observed a male customer, later identified as Tyrone Jackson of
Augusta, on surveillance cameras putting a laptop computer under his
jacket... When confronted the man became irate, knocked down an employee,
drew a knife and ran for the door.

Outside on the sidewalk were four Marines collecting toys for the
"Toys for Tots" program. Smith said the Marines stopped the man,
but he stabbed one of the Marines, Cpl. Phillip Duggan, in the back; the
injury did not appear to be severe.

After Police and an ambulance arrived at the scene Cpl. Duggan was
transported for treatment.

The subject was also transported to the local hospital with two broken
arms, a broken ankle, a broken leg, several missing teeth, possible broken
ribs, multiple contusions, assorted lacerations, a broken nose and a
broken jaw...injuries he sustained when he slipped and fell off of the
curb after stabbing the Marine.

Now that was a well written Police report.

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KlavierBauer
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Renauda:
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Perhaps a SWAT team of retired military personnel on standby under the command of the school principal is what is needed.

Why would we need a standby team of retirees - aren't our kids worth the best? We already have a professional team on standby 24 hours a day - and that's who gets called in every time - I'm talking about someone at the school, involved in kids lives, who they know, respect, and trust. It's as much for the bad kids' safety as it is for the good kids' safety.

Frank:
We have SROs here as well - in every school.
They're great.
I have no problem with them being there, and think there should be more. If teachers could help in the especially difficult schools by being able to subdue situations before they become lethal, I'd be even happier.
I may be a little shy of student violence where I live, but for good reason.
Frank - I also agree with your worst case scenario, and wasn't kidding with my mention of it earlier.

Jon: I said she thought I was crazy "in" my belief - not because of it. She thinks I'm crazy for a whole host of other reasons, as you aptly noted.
Edited by KlavierBauer, Apr 7 2011, 02:14 PM.
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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Renauda
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Why would we need a standby team of retirees - aren't our kids worth the best?


The US may need its Navy Seals elsewhere. Nevertheless, I'm sure the National Guard can handle any crisis that should happen to crop up in the nation's classrooms.
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KlavierBauer
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Hmm - may take them a bit to get here.
The county sheriff's swat team is better trained, and minutes away, I think I'll keep the current system and have them respond.
I'd just like to add boots on the inside before rather than after.
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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Apr 7 2011, 01:58 PM

...injuries he sustained when he slipped and fell off of the curb after stabbing the Marine.

Now that was a well written Police report.


That's going to cost the city a few dollars for that curb, it might have been better if he tripped over his shoe lace.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Renauda
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KlavierBauer
Apr 7 2011, 02:27 PM
Hmm - may take them a bit to get here.
The county sheriff's swat team is better trained, and minutes away, I think I'll keep the current system and have them respond.
I'd just like to add boots on the inside before rather than after.
Turn every school into a military school. Uniforms, drill, barracks, martial discipline the full deal...for the parents. Kids can visit on parade days.
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Jolly
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Renauda
Apr 7 2011, 03:01 PM
KlavierBauer
Apr 7 2011, 02:27 PM
Hmm - may take them a bit to get here.
The county sheriff's swat team is better trained, and minutes away, I think I'll keep the current system and have them respond.
I'd just like to add boots on the inside before rather than after.
Turn every school into a military school. Uniforms, drill, barracks, martial discipline the full deal...for the parents. Kids can visit on parade days.
Works for some...kids, that is..

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Jolly
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Down here, each school is assigned a "resource officer".

The resource officer is a fully armed sheriff's deputy, carrying non-lethal weapons and his choice of .40 caliber auto.
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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John D'Oh
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Renauda
Apr 7 2011, 03:01 PM
KlavierBauer
Apr 7 2011, 02:27 PM
Hmm - may take them a bit to get here.
The county sheriff's swat team is better trained, and minutes away, I think I'll keep the current system and have them respond.
I'd just like to add boots on the inside before rather than after.
Turn every school into a military school. Uniforms, drill, barracks, martial discipline the full deal...for the parents. Kids can visit on parade days.
The perfect preparation for an application to MIT or Harvard.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Frank_W
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The Marine report has been debunked by Snopes. Too bad it isn't true, though.
Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!"
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