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| Police Pepper Spray 8-Year-Old After Classroom Outburst | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 6 2011, 12:29 PM (621 Views) | |
| shoe | Apr 6 2011, 12:29 PM Post #1 |
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Police Pepper Spray 8-Year-Old After Classroom Outburst Maggie Flecknoe chicagotribune.com April 6, 2011 Colorado police had to pepper spray an eight-year-old boy after he went into a rage in the classroom. The teachers said they had to barricade themselves in a storage closet after the second grader, Aidan, threw a violent temper tantrum on February 22nd. According to the police report Aidan, "was climbing the cart and spitting at teachers. He also broke wood trim off the walls and was trying to stab teachers with it." "I wanted to make something sharp if they came out because I was so mad at them," Aidan said. "I was going to try to whack them with it." After they said he threatened to kill them, teachers called police. When police arrived they say that Aidan was holding a sharp stick and screaming "Get away from me you f---ers." Officers ordered him to drop the stick when he refused the sprayed him with pepper spray twice until he dropped it and they could handcuff him. They then treated him on the scene for skin irritation from the pepper spray. Supposedly, this was the third time police had been called because of Aidan's temper tantrums. But, his mother, Mandy, seems to be in denial and is criticizing police for using what she believes to be excessive force. Mandy told 9News, that police were called on her son at school twice before, and both times the officers were able to talk to her son and calm him down. "I'm sure what he was doing wasn't right, but he's 8 years old," Mandy went on to say. "They walked in, asked him to drop the stick, and then sprayed him with the spray. I think it's excessive." Lakewood Police are defending their actions. A police spokesman, Steve Davis, said "You've got teachers barricading themselves in a room. They are obviously frightened. I think they not only made the right choice, they made a great choice that day to use the pepper spray." Aidan was place on a "mental health hold" and was transferred to a school for kids with behavioural issues. Aidan has admitted he has anger issues. Telling 9News, "Just kind of like whenever anybody upsets me, like I just kind of want to tear them apart. I think it's not ever going to go away. It's just who I am." _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ If this boy is not helped soon, he will grow up to be a major problem. At this point he doesn't seem to have much of a future. ![]() The question of course..... did the police need to pepper spray this kid? And the teachers hiding from him? He is 8yrs old! |
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| Frank_W | Apr 6 2011, 12:50 PM Post #2 |
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Yes, the police needed to pepper spray him. He may be an 8-year old boy, but when he's holding something long and sharp and threatening to kill me with it, he's getting sprayed. Doesn't sound like he was in a state of mind to listen to ANYONE, but the police are always the most convenient target, of course. I suppose the mother thinks that the responding officers were supposed to stand there and be stabbed, right? He's lucky that the police carry pepper spray. (The alternative is a beat-down, or getting a bullet in the ass.) |
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| shoe | Apr 6 2011, 12:57 PM Post #3 |
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The mother obviously has her head up her -ss. |
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| sue | Apr 6 2011, 12:59 PM Post #4 |
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what a messed up kid. ![]() And I agree with the pepper spray. A kid that out of control in a setting with other people needs to be controlled, pronto. I hope he can get some help. Doesn't sound like his mother is dealing with the reality of her kid's problem. |
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| KlavierBauer | Apr 6 2011, 01:01 PM Post #5 |
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Hurray for non-lethal alternatives! I wish there was a "don't taze me bro" video of this to watch. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| somebody else's sock | Apr 6 2011, 01:20 PM Post #6 |
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An interview with the kid: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/pepper-sprayed-boy-mom-speak-13307666 |
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| The 89th Key | Apr 6 2011, 01:27 PM Post #7 |
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They should've called this assistant principal. See 0:40... |
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| KlavierBauer | Apr 6 2011, 01:35 PM Post #8 |
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Interesting that in the ABC interview, the mother states this only happens "at school." The then lists all of the places where it doesn't happen - none of which are "home." "Doesn't happen at soccer, at swim class, at the babysitters, or at family members' - just at school." So is you son never at home (I'm guessing), or did you just omit home from your list? |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Frank_W | Apr 6 2011, 01:36 PM Post #9 |
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Jeez... She was trying to kick the other girl in the face! Right before the assistant principal shoves her, her foot was heading towards the other girl's head! Good for him for stepping up! And no, I don't think the police would have arrested him. What he used was reasonable force to protect another person. If he was there and he didn't immediately put a stop to it, then he's liable and culpable. When we were kids and fighting in school, if a teacher had to step in, me and the other kid usually got our heads banged together. It put a stop to things pretty quickly, because me and the other kid would be sitting back and rubbing our heads. Heh.... It never occurred to us that we were being "picked on," or that we had any right to complain. And if the Dean or Principal had to phone my parents, getting a bump on my head was the LEAST of my worries! |
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| Kincaid | Apr 6 2011, 01:38 PM Post #10 |
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Very true. Sure the police (or even the teachers) could have overpowered him, and probably without any serious injury to themselves. But a squirming fighting kid getting violently restrained while resisting violently is going to cause him much more injury than a pepper spray. My wife has two severe problem kids this year in her second-grade class. One is, I believe, going to be a certified psycho and may even make the national news someday. He's the type that you can't even beat down - he'll never back down, never show fear, and his inexplicable rage is always boiling beneath the surface. Sometimes he will be sitting there looking and acting normal, and without any stimuli except from his own thoughts she'll see a cloud go over his face and he starts acting out. He's a bully and refuses to do any work at all. Finally, after six months of being a complete distraction to the class (imagine that, 2nd grader holding an entire school district hostage to his whims) the best that could be done was half time with a special education person. He told her wasn't going to do any work either. Just refuses. I think he'll prove to be schizophrenic. Hard to believe at that age. He comes from a good, caring family, with two older and one younger siblings - all high achievers and great kids. The other kid had a similar story to the one making the news. He seems to be enraged about his parents divorce and he can't handle the 1 week with a completely permissive mother and the next week with an excessively strict father. He was on top of the monkey bars before school. A girl made some mild rebuke to him and he punched her and told her he was going to kill her. Then he wouldn't come off the equipment and the school personnel dare not drag him off and face a lawsuit. They ended up calling the police. He was up there telling them that no one could make him do anything he didn't want to do. Not sure how they got him down but they didn't use force or pepper spray. Suspended for the week. When I was a kid I was scared to death that any adult should disapprove of me. Edited by Kincaid, Apr 6 2011, 01:40 PM.
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| Frank_W | Apr 6 2011, 01:47 PM Post #11 |
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Well, the kid on the monkey bars: I'll bet I would have been able to talk him down. But he's on top of the bars, without a weapon, so taking the time to do that is a real luxury, and usually ends up with a peaceful and satisfactory conclusion for all concerned. That's a far cry from an enraged kid with a weapon, threatening to kill me. |
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| Copper | Apr 6 2011, 01:48 PM Post #12 |
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Too much food coloring. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| somebody else's sock | Apr 6 2011, 01:49 PM Post #13 |
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If the teachers were frightened enough to barricade themselves into a corner, I'm not surprised that the cop thought pepper spray was in order. Sounds like the kid was totally enraged. The kid is pretty open about the fact that he goes ballistic when he doesn't get something he wants, and then afterwards he sort of realizes he's lost control. When asked by Elizabeth Vargas, he readily admitted that he intended to hurt someone in the classroom episode. |
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| Frank_W | Apr 6 2011, 02:05 PM Post #14 |
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Well, there you have it. For once, the cops aren't being made out to be the bad guys. That's a refreshing change. LOL |
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| KlavierBauer | Apr 6 2011, 03:26 PM Post #15 |
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Right - he answers "sort of" when she asks if he really meant to hurt people with the weapon, and answers the same when asked if he really wanted to kill the teachers as he'd said. Very telling that the kid is in for a lot more than pepper spray in the future, unless his Mom wises up and realizes her angel is anything but. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| shoe | Apr 6 2011, 03:29 PM Post #16 |
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| ivorythumper | Apr 6 2011, 04:03 PM Post #17 |
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Pepper spray or taser? Bean bag gun? So many option.... |
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| KlavierBauer | Apr 6 2011, 04:07 PM Post #18 |
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My wife (an educator) thinks I'm crazy in my belief that all teachers should be trained in, and carry, non-lethal deterrents like tasers and/or pepper spray. *Edit* I keep mostly silent my belief that it would be even better if 1 in 10 of them carried firearms as well. Edited by KlavierBauer, Apr 6 2011, 04:08 PM.
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Apr 6 2011, 04:41 PM Post #19 |
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Just like those guys from the Black Panthers and what they did outside the voting booths? |
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| John D'Oh | Apr 6 2011, 04:54 PM Post #20 |
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There are fewer things scarier than an 8 year old with a pointy stick. |
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| KlavierBauer | Apr 6 2011, 05:03 PM Post #21 |
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AL: Yeah - like that, but in school. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Copper | Apr 6 2011, 06:31 PM Post #22 |
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My dad was a high school headmaster. At the end of one school year he came home with a significant collection of knives that he had taken from "students". There must have been at least a few dozen mean looking weapons (it was Boston during busing - long story). He used them to work on furniture refinishing as a hobby. So weapons in school can be put to good use. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Apr 6 2011, 06:49 PM Post #23 |
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I'm going to go ahead and say I don't think that would be a very good idea. |
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| KlavierBauer | Apr 6 2011, 06:51 PM Post #24 |
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Black Panthers at voting booths? I wholeheartedly agree. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| John D'Oh | Apr 6 2011, 07:12 PM Post #25 |
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What use would a teacher with a gun be against an 8 year old with a pointy stick? |
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