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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 18 2011, 02:17 AM (559 Views) | |
| ivorythumper | Mar 18 2011, 02:17 AM Post #1 |
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I've been putting together a Planned Area Development (PAD) for a new parish project just south of Phoenix. The church acquired 34 acres, and will be developing the church and a K-8 school, as well as work with development partners to build a whole pedestrian friendly sustainable village. As different from conventional "Euclidean zoning" (the typical suburban American method of segregated zoning), this project will be based on "Form Based Codes" which are intended to create smart neighborhoods that have a rich mixture of civic, commercial retail and office, single and multifamily housing, elderly care, educational and recreational uses. More oriented toward community building and less need for autos. Here are a few of the character studies I've done for the zoning package: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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| Optimistic | Mar 18 2011, 03:05 AM Post #2 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Looks great! Like a university campus. Move to a place that is totally, ridiculously pedestrian un-friendly, you really appreciate the places that make walking possible and enjoyable. |
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PHOTOS I must have a prodigious quantity of mind; it takes me as much as a week, sometimes, to make it up. - Mark Twain We shall not cease from exploration And the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive where we started And know the place for the first time. -T. S. Eliot | |
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| apple | Mar 18 2011, 03:22 AM Post #3 |
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it looks so idyllic and peaceful. Is is going to be a Catholic village? The trees on the narrow islands wouldn't work around here (not enough water for them) I do think we have a narrow variety of bradford pear that grows down a highway strip. they've tried many different tree varieties there. The traffic can't drive by the parked car in the parking lot, i don't see handicapped accomodations or ways to get out of the school in a fire except the front door. shut up apple. - i guess a concept drawing is just this. very cool and good luck. |
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| JBryan | Mar 18 2011, 04:31 AM Post #4 |
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I like that. It is really very nicely done. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Mikhailoh | Mar 18 2011, 05:12 AM Post #5 |
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Yes indeed. I love areas like this, IT and would love to live in one. Great work. Here in Cincinnati we have out on the east side the village of Mariemont, which was one of the first planned communities in the US. It was laid out as and has the character of what you would imagine of an English village. Actually, a lot of the San Gabriel Valley suburbs outside LA used to have some of that character, each with a little downtown area. Temple City, Arcadia, San Gabriel, Alhambra. Pretty nice. http://www.mariemont.org/about_history.html |
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| jodi | Mar 18 2011, 05:45 AM Post #6 |
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Impressive! (except those trees and all that grass - in Phoenix? )
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| jeffanie96 | Mar 18 2011, 06:10 AM Post #7 |
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huge space! |
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| brenda | Mar 18 2011, 06:12 AM Post #8 |
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Looks very inviting! Retail space, too? How broad of a range?
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| Mark | Mar 18 2011, 07:38 AM Post #9 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Very nice IT! |
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___.___ (_]===* o 0 When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells | |
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| sue | Mar 18 2011, 07:49 AM Post #10 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I'm curious about that too. You call it a 'parish project'.....I'm just wondering how big a role the church plays in the neighbourhood; will you have to be a card holding member to live there, run a shop, etc? Not trying to be snarky here, I really am just curious. I love walking friendly neighbourhoods, wish we'd see more being built like this. There are endless debates, proposals etc. to do create a space like that (lots of walking, green, mixed residential and commercial) in the cove here, which is mostly used as a ferry line-up place. A real shame. Hope it all goes as you'd like. Good luck. |
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| ivorythumper | Mar 18 2011, 09:29 AM Post #11 |
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The legal structure is being hammered out by the lawyers. The idea is that parish will set up a community land bank that will own the land that the church and school don't need. This is a 501 c -- like an HOA -- that will own the land and maintain the infrastucture (roads, sewers, public areas) and long term lease the land. These arrangements spread the land value over a longer period of time (say 10 years) which is paid as an HOA type fee for both the covenant for maintenance and the land lease -- thus making it economically viable to provide low cost housing as well as providing an income stream in perpetuity for maintaining the school, parish and social services. Its not a Catholic village, but it will certainly have a Catholic community/school identity with a market sector for those who would want to live near a church and school -- young families, elderly, etc. I suspect all the fair housing laws would come in on the non church/school side of things, but this would allow the corporation to keep undesirable businesses off the property as well as retaining the "private property" status. Of course, the Church has historically served and educated non Catholics as part of her social mission for 2000 years and will continue to do so. At present there is nothing like this in the area-- it is all suburban streets with remote shopping. The site is located between the current shopping main street (big boxes with seas of parking out front) and the future city civic center, carved out of an HOA that suffered from the collapse of the real estate market. The city is very favorable to this type of "new urbanism/ smart growth" development, and is supportive of moving to a form based code approach to guide future growth. |
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| ivorythumper | Mar 18 2011, 09:38 AM Post #12 |
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Ideally, we are going after small grocer (Fresh N Easy, Trader Joes) and a pharm (Wallgreens, CVS, Rite Aid) as anchors. Restaurant, health club, maybe health/med oriented retail since we are looking at elderly care and maybe an Alzheimer care facility, coffee shop/ third place, restaurants, pubs, etc. Retail all on ground floor, professional office and condo housing on upper floors. Keeping out value diminishing retail (video shops, tattoo parlors, massage and tanning, liquor stores, pawn shops, strip clubs, etc). |
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| Mikhailoh | Mar 18 2011, 09:45 AM Post #13 |
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Uh.. about that liquor store... can you buy wine and beer at groceries in Az? |
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| Kincaid | Mar 18 2011, 09:47 AM Post #14 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I was thinking the same thing - Toto, we're not in Arizona anymore! |
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| ivorythumper | Mar 18 2011, 09:49 AM Post #15 |
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Don't worry, Mik -- you can. These folks are Catholic after all... |
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| ivorythumper | Mar 18 2011, 09:54 AM Post #16 |
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It's a xeriscape solution with hydrozoning. Once a canopy of trees is established, the filtered shade allows all sorts of subtropical and low water usage plants to thrive with drip systems and direct deep root water systems. Permeable surfaces with water harvesting is another component. Also, the conversion of agricultural land to residential and commercial uses cuts water consumption by about 75% -- this is former cotton land -- so the green village is actually much more sustainable than agricultural land. |
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| Horace | Mar 18 2011, 10:22 AM Post #17 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Very cool. Word of warning IT, there appears to be a suspicious looking albino in the first picture, carelessly treading on the grass. I'd keep an eye out for him - he'll be the one with the big red welt on his forehead from walking straight into that tree. |
| As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good? | |
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| ivorythumper | Mar 18 2011, 10:24 AM Post #18 |
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Not to worry, he's walking straight into the anti zombie defense zone. |
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| Horace | Mar 18 2011, 10:28 AM Post #19 |
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Oops, sorry. Didn't mean to mistake a zombie for an albino. They must get that a lot. Maybe it's why they're so angry. |
| As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good? | |
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| ivorythumper | Mar 18 2011, 11:38 AM Post #20 |
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You can tell the difference in Arizona since albinos sunburn immediately and turn lobster red. Zombies keep their greyish white pallor since melanin is present but in stasis. |
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| blondie | Mar 18 2011, 08:53 PM Post #21 |
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IT, what a cool profession you're in. Very creative. I get a real sense of community. |
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| ivorythumper | Mar 24 2011, 11:49 PM Post #22 |
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I was thinking about the house that Horace was looking to buy with a live/work arrangement. I needed another type of mixed use multifamily unit to give more street texture, so I modeled up a sort of traditional Main Street storefront with a unit above that can be either owner occupied or rented. The ground floor is about 1500 SF, the upper unit is 2300 SF which could be split into a 1400 SF unit and a 900 SF penthouse.
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| sue | Mar 25 2011, 07:44 AM Post #23 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I like that. I think areas like that (mixed residential and commercial) are so vital to a community. There are plans to do that here on our main street, it will bring such life to an otherwise 'roll up the sidewalk at 5:30' kind of area. And supply some rental properties; not everyone wants/can afford to live in a house. |
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| ivorythumper | Mar 25 2011, 08:59 AM Post #24 |
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Indeed, Sue -- a huge part of a successful community is economic integration and age groups -- singles, families, retirees, elderly. Also, blending live, work, school, play, recreation.... I would love to live where I needed a car rarely (but didn't have the stress and densities and claustrophia and politics of big cities). In short, I'm kind of designing this for myself. ![]() |
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| sue | Mar 25 2011, 02:45 PM Post #25 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Must be so satisfying, doing something like this. Our community (around 4000 year round residents) is now struggling to fix all this. Rental, low income properties are hard to come by, and our main street is deserted after the shops close. People have to drive everywhere. Young people leave because they can't afford to live here, as do a lot of the elderly because there just are not enough 'walkable to the shops' places to live. It's a shame, and trying to retrofit a community is a lot harder than getting it done right in the first place. Good luck with your project. Keep us posted. |
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