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| Hitch: Reflections on Political Violence | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 11 2011, 06:01 PM (215 Views) | |
| jon-nyc | Jan 11 2011, 06:01 PM Post #1 |
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Cheers
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http://www.slate.com/id/2280683/ |
| In my defense, I was left unsupervised. | |
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| ivorythumper | Jan 11 2011, 06:30 PM Post #2 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Except for that sh!t about "The Irish rebels' declaration of independence in 1916" I largely agree with him. |
| The dogma lives loudly within me. | |
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| Dewey | Jan 12 2011, 05:23 AM Post #3 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Very good article. |
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"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14 | |
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| Piano*Dad | Jan 12 2011, 05:55 AM Post #4 |
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Bull-Carp
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That's a masterful piece. It brings together a lot of strands of argument that I have been thinking about (but rather incoherently) and does it with great economy. The tie back to S.A and apartheid is a wonderfully telling comparison. |
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| Red Rice | Jan 12 2011, 07:00 AM Post #5 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Agreed. We will never see an actual manifesto from Muslim extremists; by keeping their grievances as vague as possible, it allows them to make up any justification that suits them for their senseless acts of violence and repression. |
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Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool. I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss! - Cecil Lewis | |
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| Piano*Dad | Jan 12 2011, 11:39 AM Post #6 |
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Bull-Carp
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Well, as Hitch notes, we actually do have some examples of such a manifesto. The Hamas charter is a prime example. As he says, however, there is very little in the document beyond a) homicidal anti-semitism b) the unique privilege of followers of Islam basically to do as they please because Allah justifies it. |
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| Red Rice | Jan 12 2011, 12:33 PM Post #7 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Well, I maybe should have used "list of grievances" rather than "manifesto". The Hamas Charter is more of a threat than a manifesto, in any case. |
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Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool. I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss! - Cecil Lewis | |
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