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Hitch: Reflections on Political Violence
Topic Started: Jan 11 2011, 06:01 PM (215 Views)
jon-nyc
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Cheers
http://www.slate.com/id/2280683/

In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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ivorythumper
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
Except for that sh!t about "The Irish rebels' declaration of independence in 1916" I largely agree with him.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Dewey
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Very good article.
"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

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Piano*Dad
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Bull-Carp
That's a masterful piece. It brings together a lot of strands of argument that I have been thinking about (but rather incoherently) and does it with great economy.

The tie back to S.A and apartheid is a wonderfully telling comparison.
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Red Rice
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Piano*Dad
Jan 12 2011, 05:55 AM
That's a masterful piece.
Agreed. We will never see an actual manifesto from Muslim extremists; by keeping their grievances as vague as possible, it allows them to make up any justification that suits them for their senseless acts of violence and repression.
Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

- Cecil Lewis
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Piano*Dad
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Well, as Hitch notes, we actually do have some examples of such a manifesto.

The Hamas charter is a prime example. As he says, however, there is very little in the document beyond

a) homicidal anti-semitism
b) the unique privilege of followers of Islam basically to do as they please because Allah justifies it.
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Red Rice
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Piano*Dad
Jan 12 2011, 11:39 AM
Well, as Hitch notes, we actually do have some examples of such a manifesto.

The Hamas charter is a prime example. As he says, however, there is very little in the document beyond

a) homicidal anti-semitism
b) the unique privilege of followers of Islam basically to do as they please because Allah justifies it.
Well, I maybe should have used "list of grievances" rather than "manifesto". The Hamas Charter is more of a threat than a manifesto, in any case.
Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

- Cecil Lewis
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