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| That "Thud" you heard? It was a body. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 11 2010, 06:43 AM (484 Views) | |
| George K | Dec 11 2010, 06:43 AM Post #1 |
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Teen found near Boston likely fell from plane A Massachusetts prosecutor said Friday it's likely that a North Carolina teen whose mutilated body was found in a Boston suburb fell from the sky after stowing away in an airplane's wheel well. Norfolk District Attorney William Keating cited evidence including a handprint in the wheel well, clothes strewn along the plane's flight path and an autopsy report indicating the teen fell "from a significant height." Keating said Friday that he'd informed federal transportation safety officials about the apparent airport security breach by 16-year-old Delvonte Tisdale. "To withhold any information at this point I think would endanger public safety," said Keating, a Democrat who was elected in November to represent Massachusetts' 10th Congressional District. Keating held a press conference Friday after police searched a wooded area in Milton near where Tisdale's body was found last month. Along a path a Boston-bound plane would have taken while approaching the city, they found dark sneakers with white stripes and a red shirt matching clothing Tisdale's family said he'd worn, Keating said. Keating said an autopsy showed trauma to Tisdale's body "was consistent with a fall from a significant height." Investigators also discovered a handprint in grease inside the wheel well on the left side of a Boeing 737 that took off from Charlotte Douglas International Airport in Charlotte, N.C., on Nov. 15, the night Tisdale's body was found, Keating said. "We feel it's important to inform federal transportation safety officials that it appears more likely than not that Mr. Tisdale was able to breach airport security and hide in the wheel well of a commercial jet liner without being detected by airport security personnel," Keating said. Keating called what happened to Tisdale "a terrible tragedy." "But if that was someone with a different motive, if that was a terrorist, that could be a bomb planted on there undetected," Keating said. Jon Allen, a spokesman for the Transportation Security Administration, said: "We will work with the airport, which is responsible for access control security, to conduct a thorough investigation based on the facts and information provided by law enforcement." |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| VPG | Dec 11 2010, 06:54 AM Post #2 |
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It would be interesting to know if this kid was a would be home grown terrorest. Love to know his background. If he was the kind of kid that would try crazy stuff at school. Could he have had some kind of device to bring down the plane and somehow lost it. Seems like only half the story. |
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I'M NOT YELLING.........I'M ITALIAN...........THAT'S HOW WE TALK! "People say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look." Ronald Reagan, Inaugural, 1971 | |
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| Piano*Dad | Dec 11 2010, 07:30 AM Post #3 |
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Bull-Carp
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Kids have been known to do this in the past. Usually, it's just Darwin Award material. Very sad. |
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| George K | Dec 11 2010, 07:33 AM Post #4 |
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The first thing I thought of was how utterly terrifying that would have been. Is there room in the wheel well for someone to hide once the gear goes up? Is there something to hang onto when the gear is lowered again? Tragic, indeed. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| ivorythumper | Dec 11 2010, 08:36 AM Post #5 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Boys will be boys.... |
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| brenda | Dec 11 2010, 08:41 AM Post #6 |
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Wow. What made him think this would be a good plan? Maybe that's the point, there was not enough thought. |
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| ivorythumper | Dec 11 2010, 08:48 AM Post #7 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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My guess? A) It was a bet or a dare. B) Alcohol of drugs were involved C) He had a substandard IQ D) All of the above |
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| kenny | Dec 11 2010, 08:53 AM Post #8 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I think it is freezing in there too. Usually when I read about this happening it's some Einstein attempting to take an "immigration shortcut" to a better country. |
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| George K | Dec 11 2010, 08:56 AM Post #9 |
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There was a kid in Russia who actually did survive the trip. It was -50 degrees (Celcius) in the wheel well of a 737. He ended up with amputations because of the frostbite. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Boy_survives_flight_in_wheel_well_of_Boeing_737
And from a link at that site:
Edited by George K, Dec 11 2010, 08:58 AM.
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| VPG | Dec 11 2010, 09:03 AM Post #10 |
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Pisa-Carp
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Besides the cold, above 10/11,000 feet no air. Wheel wells are not pressurized. Shirley oops surely he knew this. |
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I'M NOT YELLING.........I'M ITALIAN...........THAT'S HOW WE TALK! "People say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look." Ronald Reagan, Inaugural, 1971 | |
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| George K | Dec 11 2010, 09:06 AM Post #11 |
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From the FAA:
Seems that for a pilot, anything below 12.5K feet is OK. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| VPG | Dec 11 2010, 09:22 AM Post #12 |
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(1) At cabin pressure altitudes above 12,500 feet (MSL) up to and including 14,000 feet (MSL) unless the required minimum That's not outside altitude. Wheel well would be true altitude and a person would not be awake/alive very long above 11,000. I think most Commercial Jets are above 30,000. In the A F any time above 10,000 even in pressurized cockpits Oxegin had to be flowing and the mask had to be on. |
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I'M NOT YELLING.........I'M ITALIAN...........THAT'S HOW WE TALK! "People say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look." Ronald Reagan, Inaugural, 1971 | |
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| apple | Dec 11 2010, 09:27 AM Post #13 |
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one of the angels
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oh how sad.. |
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| kenny | Dec 11 2010, 09:29 AM Post #14 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Well at least they had full body scans or enhanced pat downs. |
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| Piano*Dad | Dec 11 2010, 10:29 AM Post #15 |
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Indeed. The usual reason someone "falls" from the wheel well is not because they have nothing to hang onto, but that they are unconscious. |
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| Copper | Dec 11 2010, 10:41 AM Post #16 |
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Yes, he would have been dead shortly after leaving NC. When they dropped the wheels over Milton he fell down. Another interesting note in the Boston Herald:
I assume the shoes and shirt were ripped off by the force of the wind/fall. Here is a story about "Time of useful consciousness" - he wasn't awake for long. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_useful_consciousness |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| George K | Dec 11 2010, 10:43 AM Post #17 |
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I was surprised to read that as well, Vince. It was always my impression that you have to have O2 on above 10,000 feet. Of course, if you live in the Andes Mountains, and you're acclimatized to that low oxygen level, it's a whole 'nother ball of wax. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Copper | Dec 11 2010, 10:47 AM Post #18 |
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Vince has the rule right, but the recommendation is 10,000 and 5,000 at night. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| kenny | Dec 11 2010, 11:09 AM Post #19 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I wonder if anyone has suggested a design change. If they pressurized and heated the wheel wells and made space for a human in there these deaths would not happen. I'm not suggesting this. It's stupid. I just wouldn't be surprised if someone has considered it I wouldn't be surprised if cost analysis have been performed. There's this mentality out there that all human life is so precious that no cost is too great . . . blah blah blah.
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| Luke's Dad | Dec 11 2010, 11:11 AM Post #20 |
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You can't protect everything and everyone from being an idiot in every single situation. |
| The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it. | |
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| kenny | Dec 11 2010, 11:16 AM Post #21 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I totally agree but some people don't. They want to spend zillions to prevent people from jumping off the Golden Gate bridge. |
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| JoeB | Dec 11 2010, 11:18 AM Post #22 |
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Senior Carp
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I've been to 17,000 ft. without oxygen and didn't have any problems beyond some lightheadedness after 30 minutes or so. Above 30,000 feet or so the partial pressure of oxygen is so low that unconsciousness follows pretty quickly followed eventually by death. |
| "There are many ingredients in the stew of annoyance." - Bucky Katt | |
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| OperaTenor | Dec 11 2010, 12:04 PM Post #23 |
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Um, Joe, we weren't meaning to say anything to you about this, but since you brought it up... |
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| Copper | Dec 11 2010, 12:33 PM Post #24 |
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Consider this chart: ![]() And then think about the fact that people climb to the top of Everest (29,035 feet) without oxygen. Time of useful consciousness (TUC) is defined as the amount of time an individual is able to perform flying duties efficiently in an environment of inadequate oxygen supply. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| sue | Dec 11 2010, 12:39 PM Post #25 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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How sad. To do something so stupid, how crappy was this kid's life? |
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