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Buddhism
Topic Started: Dec 8 2010, 08:08 AM (5,155 Views)
Frank_W
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Yes, Larry. Whatever you say.
Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
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Renauda
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1, 2, 3 on Frank, I can see you behind your metaphysical iron curtain.
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Frank_W
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:D "Pay no attention...." :D
Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!"
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JBryan
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I am sure that many of you are just dying to hear me point of view on all this.

Tough.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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KlavierBauer
Dec 9 2010, 12:19 PM
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Was he in the audience for Michael Richards doing stand up?
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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John D'Oh
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I think it's actually an interpretation of Jesus' second coming.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Renauda
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Yes of course John, after all Seinfeld is Jewish.
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ivorythumper
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Frank_W
Dec 8 2010, 03:56 PM
Well, I was unsure of the etymology of the symbol itself, but I'm pretty sure about where Hitler stole it from and why he used it.
I think part of the reason he used it also has to do with the Aryan issue -- the group from N Indian/ Iran -- which for 19th cent ethnologists was the roots of the Nordic race (genetically folks in that region have blue or green eyes and blond hair). So the swastika is an emblem of that heritage.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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ivorythumper
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kluurs
Dec 9 2010, 11:13 AM

As for mysticism, it was a part of the early church - and it seems clear that gnostic and other influences were incorporated into the early gospels - e.g. the imagery of light and darkness were gnostic concepts. The Gospel of John - which is where your quote regarding Jesus as truth comes from is often considered the most mystic of the Gospels.
That is a position in desperate need of support, kluurs.

All religious symbolism is based on natural events. The notion of being able to see in the light and not being able to see in the dark makes for a natural metaphor that appeals to all of humanity. Whether or not some earlier group like Mazdaism or some Gnostic sect also used it does not support the notion that it was an influence on Christianity. The more obvious explanation is that all people understand concepts of spiritual illumination by metaphors of light (such as the radiance of Moses, the burning bush, the pillar of fire, the Shekinah in the temple, etc).

That said, I am firm believer in the mystical practices of Christianity -- that is precisely what the Catholic Mass (/Orthodox Divine Liturgy) is all about, as well as the contemplative practices of the saints. But I think "centering prayer" is often just marketing for folks who want to dabble, where for the orthodox apostolic Christian the real locus for these experiences is in the Sacraments (liturgy, confession, Eucharistic adoration, other devotional practices, etc.).
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Frank_W
Dec 9 2010, 11:21 AM
His mission was to tear down the need for intercession between God and mankind. In other words, so that mankind could directly experience God.
End result, though, is that most Christians end up making Jesus the exclusive intercession between man and god. :shrug:
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Larry
Dec 9 2010, 11:21 AM
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This mostly, is because Christianity *is* an eastern religion, having its roots absolutely in the eastern world.


Gosh, I was totally unaware that Jerusalem was in Asia....
It's right there on the map. ;-)
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ivorythumper
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Larry
Dec 9 2010, 11:23 AM
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Jesus Himself was a mystic.


Jesus was not a mystic.

In the sense that Jesus is the Logos, no he was not a mystic. But from our human perceptions of a person so intimately connected with the spiritual realities, I can understand why Frank said so.
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Axtremus
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kluurs
Dec 9 2010, 12:03 PM
praying for our enemies
Dangerous thing to do in the post 9/11 America ... might get your name on some government list that you'd rather not be on. :unsure:
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KlavierBauer
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IT: Don't bother...

Ax: Ultimately that is true - Jesus is the ultimate intercessor between man and God (in the view of Christianity).
The devil is in the details as they say... Christians have differing views on exactly what that means. For some it means simply raising one's hand and proclaiming that they believe in Jesus, for others, there's more required than that, and for others still, that intercession is thought to have already taken place. There are a lot of ideas about this throughout the thousands of "sects" of Christianity - but ultimately, the statement you make is accurate - man can't on his own reach God, and that was in fact the entire point of Jesus.
His mission wasn't to remove the need for intercession between man and God - his very existence was the manifestation thereof.
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
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ivorythumper
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Larry
Dec 9 2010, 11:28 AM
Good to you studying Catholicism, Larry! :wave:
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ivorythumper
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kenny
Dec 9 2010, 11:39 AM
Klaus
Dec 9 2010, 11:34 AM
kenny
Dec 8 2010, 08:08 AM
Klaus, I noticed you subscribe to a Buddhist publication.
May I ask what your level of interest/involvement is in Buddhism?
No problem if you'd rather respond via PM.
I am a little late to this thread, but I saw this in the first post.

Kenny, I have no idea where you read that I subscribe to a Buddhist publication. I do not.
I find Buddhism interesting from a historical perspective, but that's it.
So sorry Klaus.
My bad.
It was Kluurs.

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So this WHOLE THREAD is just one big mistake???

I want my money back! :lol2:
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kenny
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Great Buddhism thread. :thumb:
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ivorythumper
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Axtremus
Dec 9 2010, 01:08 PM
Frank_W
Dec 9 2010, 11:21 AM
His mission was to tear down the need for intercession between God and mankind. In other words, so that mankind could directly experience God.
End result, though, is that most Christians end up making Jesus the exclusive intercession between man and god. :shrug:
That is the whole point of the Incarnation and the "hypostatic union": Jesus as fully God and fully man -- thus the only exclusive intercessor.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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ivorythumper
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kenny
Dec 9 2010, 01:17 PM
Great Buddhism thread. :thumb:
Sort of like a bunch of gays talking about heterosexuality, huh? :lol2:
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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John D'Oh
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Next time a Christian complains about being laughed at, just remember this thread. Not in an unpleasant, sarcastic way, obviously, but in a kind, warm, contemplative manner.

And then just say 'Dude.....'
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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kenny
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ivorythumper
Dec 9 2010, 01:21 PM
kenny
Dec 9 2010, 01:17 PM
Great Buddhism thread. :thumb:
Sort of like a bunch of gays talking about heterosexuality, huh? :lol2:
Wow, I'm so glad you put that into perspective for someone gay like me.
That analogy just opens my eyes.
Now I finally get it. :doh:
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Aqua Letifer
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kenny
Dec 9 2010, 01:25 PM
ivorythumper
Dec 9 2010, 01:21 PM
kenny
Dec 9 2010, 01:17 PM
Great Buddhism thread. :thumb:
Sort of like a bunch of gays talking about heterosexuality, huh? :lol2:
Wow, I'm so glad you put that into perspective for someone gay like me.
That analogy just opens my eyes.
Now I finally get it. :doh:
I liked your comment better without the hard returns.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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ivorythumper
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kenny
Dec 9 2010, 01:25 PM
ivorythumper
Dec 9 2010, 01:21 PM
kenny
Dec 9 2010, 01:17 PM
Great Buddhism thread. :thumb:
Sort of like a bunch of gays talking about heterosexuality, huh? :lol2:
Wow, I'm so glad you put that into perspective for someone gay like me.
That analogy just opens my eyes.
Now I finally get it. :doh:
you can reverse the terms too if that helps... :lol2:
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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kenny
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Aqua Letifer
Dec 9 2010, 01:31 PM
kenny
Dec 9 2010, 01:25 PM
ivorythumper
Dec 9 2010, 01:21 PM
kenny
Dec 9 2010, 01:17 PM
Great Buddhism thread. :thumb:
Sort of like a bunch of gays talking about heterosexuality, huh? :lol2:
Wow, I'm so glad you put that into perspective for someone gay like me.
That analogy just opens my eyes.
Now I finally get it. :doh:
I liked your comment better without the hard returns.
If you don't like them, don't use them.
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Renauda
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John D'Oh
Dec 9 2010, 01:25 PM
Next time a Christian complains about being laughed at, just remember this thread. Not in an unpleasant, sarcastic way, obviously, but in a kind, warm, contemplative manner.

And then just say 'Dude.....'
I really dislike that epithet. Conjurs images of a 1960's Jerry Lewis farce with *him* dressed as a stereotypical rodeo cowboy on a rocking horse.
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