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Buddhism
Topic Started: Dec 8 2010, 08:08 AM (5,158 Views)
John D'Oh
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That building's about to take off!
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kenny
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It is astonishing that no architect or other person made/saw a bird's eye view drawing of this building.

Is it possible some did see such a drawing but did not notice the symbol?

Maybe each part was farmed out to a different contractor.
The "not my fault" syndrome.
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KlavierBauer
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I guess it's possible - but hard to believe no?
Seems like the blueprints would've been a dead giveaway - though perhaps with all the other business in the drawings the overall outline of the building was lost.
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Dec 8 2010, 04:15 PM
Kenny: that's interesting - I've never seen that pic before.
Combine this with the use of the demonic Pentacle so beloved of the Department of Defense, and we have proof, if any more were needed, of the unimaginably vast underlying conspiracy at the heart of your once great country. When I say 'once great', I refer, of course, to the early and mid 18th century.
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Perhaps the architect(s) were Nazi sympathizers?
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kenny
Dec 8 2010, 03:49 PM
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Dec 8 2010, 01:37 PM
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Dec 8 2010, 01:24 PM
That's "Ohm" D'oh.
You've electrified it?
He couldn't resist.
A spark of brilliance! :thumb:
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Dec 8 2010, 07:05 PM
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Dec 8 2010, 03:49 PM
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Dec 8 2010, 01:24 PM
That's "Ohm" D'oh.
You've electrified it?
He couldn't resist.
A spark of brilliance! :thumb:
Keeping current, I'd say.
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kenny
Dec 8 2010, 12:10 PM
So with Buddhism, as with Christianity, there is no urtext - unless you think there is.
As far as scriptures go, it is my impression that the Buddhists don't have as "complete" or as "organized" a generally accepted set of scriptures when compared to other major religions.
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Dec 8 2010, 04:30 PM
Perhaps the architect(s) were Nazi sympathizers?
Or Pagan(s) or Buddhist(s).
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Has anyone told k yet that the Buddha didn't like people with alternate sexual preferences very much?
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I for one love your version of Christian Mysticism


So you don't believe what Jesus Christ said either?


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it is after all very much what the whole thing was about early on.


Not hardly.
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Dec 8 2010, 12:59 PM
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and we do not believe that that God's truth is found only in Jesus and nowhere else. Even if incomplete or impartial, truth is found in many places, and can be of value to us regardless of where it is found.



"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Those are Jesus' words, Dewey. Do you believe them?



I absolutely do believe those words, Larry. In fact, I think that concept made an appearance in my sermon either last Sunday, or the one just before. You've misunderstood what I wrote, jumping to an assumption that was incorrect.

I didn't say that reconciliation with God/slavation comes through any other avenue but Christ, the co-eternal Son of God, second Person of the Trinity. I said was that Jesus, and Christianity, are not the only places where truth can be found. There are truths that are consistent with Christ's teaching to be found in Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and even secular humanism. For that matter, there's truth to be found on a candy bar wrapper. I can believe that what the wrapper on my Snickers Bar tells me about its sugar content is correct, without being seen as denying my faith.

Truth originates with God and is personified in Christ, who has also made our reconciliation with God possible. But there are many other places where truth is also found.

It is also possible to see how others have interpreted those truths, and to find ways to understand one's own faith that may differ from the traditional ways and interpretations that we may have been taught, but which, upon reflection and deeper study, are not necessarily contradictory to the actual teachings of the scriptures - both what they do say, and what they do not.

As to your wariness of the Christian disciplines of meditation, that's your prerogative. Many people haven't really been exposed to it much - and I wasn't either, until the past five or six years. But these disciplines have been around since the beginning of the faith, have a long and respected history, and are completely consistent with the teachings of the faith. If it doesn't float your boat, that's okay. But I'm glad I learned about them, and have been able to practice them. They have greatly helped my spiritual life, and that of many people I know, and I'd recommend these disciplines to anyone.

If nothing else, the renewing and centering benefits of meditation are such a good thing that many people have become Buddhists simply on the basis that they've thought that it's only a "Buddhist thing." If we Christians were as willing to be open, appreciative, and supportive of the contemplative traditions within our own faith, many people might stay in the faith and not leave it for Buddhism - they could find those same benefits within Christianity.
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Dec 8 2010, 07:32 PM
Has anyone told k yet that the Buddha didn't like people with alternate sexual preferences very much?
Has anyone told the Copperhead that he has no idea what the Buddha may or may not have said on the matter?

ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_topics_and_Buddhism


The Copperhead would be advised to stick more mundane topics such as avionics and computers. Perhaps go watch reruns or DVD boxsets of I Dream of Jeannie or Petticoat Junction.
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Larry
Dec 8 2010, 08:06 PM
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I for one love your version of Christian Mysticism


So you don't believe what Jesus Christ said either?


So I take it you don't buy into that Paul guy* and his alleged mystical experience on the road to Damascus either.


* "Of this band of dupes and impostors [the 12 disciples], Paul was the great Corypheus, and first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus" ~ Thomas Jefferson
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Not the same thing, Renauda.


Not even close to the same thing.
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So if it wasn't a mystical experience what was it?

I personally think that if it did indeed occur, it was a medically definable seizure of some sort- possibly epileptic.
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Renauda: We already have evidence elsewhere in the scripture that Paul is afflicted with something. The early fathers debated a lot about what it might be. I have never thought about seizures - the general thinking is that he was losing his eyesight, and as a writer that was a terribly difficult burden for him. I guess it's just as possible though that he was dealing with something even greater.

Larry: I'm not combining mysticism with Christianity - my comment was directed towards Dewey. If he's promoting Christian mysticism as you accused him of doing, then I love his version of mysticism.

I'm not going to engage in a debate with you about the early church, as I've already said, because it's clear we've each read very different versions of history to build our own perceptions of the early church. If you see the modern church as having more in common with the early church than...the early church itself, I'm not sure what sort of meaningful discussion we can have about it. I'm not trying to be a dick - I just don't think it benefits either of us to argue about things neither of us are willing, or wanting, to change. I clearly don't believe in the same God that you do, and you clearly don't believe in the same God that I do - that's fine though, I'm just trying to find my own way through it all (life, that is).
Edited by KlavierBauer, Dec 9 2010, 09:44 AM.
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Larry
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I would suggest that you and Dewey both do a little more research into the "centering prayer" movement that has infiltrated the church, and do it with an open mind instead of trying to make the frail link to the early church that you're making. Don't just read those who agree with you, read those who don't.

After you've done that, if you still find you subscribe to christian mysticism and "centering prayer", then yes, you are correct - we do not believe in the same God.

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Yes KB, I think there was some serious pathology there as well....possibly even liberalism. Why just look how Paul stood the covenants of Judaism on their head!

Paul the wacky Jacobin.
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Larry
Dec 9 2010, 10:30 AM
I would suggest that you and Dewey both do a little more research into the "centering prayer" movement that has infiltrated the church, and do it with an open mind instead of trying to make the frail link to the early church that you're making. Don't just read those who agree with you, read those who don't.

After you've done that, if you still find you subscribe to christian mysticism and "centering prayer", then yes, you are correct - we do not believe in the same God.

Larry, knowing you are speaking to Christians, there's more than one Christian God?

I find it telling how even a thread named Buddhism becomes a pissing contest between righteous Christians.
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kenny
Dec 9 2010, 10:32 AM
I find it telling how even a thread named Buddhism becomes a pissing contest between righteous Christians.
That's why the Medieval Church worked hard at eradicating heretical heterodoxy.

Pissing contests between heretics are a consequence of the Reformation.
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You've got to love the Middle Ages. Groups of rivals killing and torturing each other over which particular bunch had interpreted God's infinite love more accurately.
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Larry, knowing you are speaking to Christians, there's more than one Christian God?


Kenny, there is the God of the Bible, and there is the "god" that is constructed by churches. Christianity is not about accommodating every viewpoint that people have, it's about following the God of scripture. For as long as the religion has existed, there have been those who have injected all sorts of nonscriptural nonsense into it. One can choose to defend the church, or one can choose to defend scripture. I have no use for Dewey's church, or KB's church, or any other denomination or sect, and I especially have no use for the current trends of watering down scripture with new age eastern mysticism masquerading itself as "early church".
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