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Buddhism
Topic Started: Dec 8 2010, 08:08 AM (5,162 Views)
KlavierBauer
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Kluurs: I agree completely with your post. I think the philosophical teachings of Buddhism largely emulate Christ's own teachings.

Ren: I can't completely agree with that assessment (I deleted a lot - don't want to sidetrack too much from Kenny's great thread).

Mark: I agree - Paul after all is the one who said that "Nothing is unlawful, but not everything is beneficial." Christians aren't prohibited from things in general - they're allowed to do what they want. Even sex prior to marriage!
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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kenny
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kluurs
Dec 8 2010, 10:43 AM
There are variations in Buddhist philosophy - and some would disagree a bit with what I've said - OTH, there is no Central Command to address the gazillion splinter groups...

About those gazillion splinter groups . . .

Who has time to investigate all of them?

Oye.
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kenny
Dec 8 2010, 10:46 AM
kluurs
Dec 8 2010, 10:43 AM
There are variations in Buddhist philosophy - and some would disagree a bit with what I've said - OTH, there is no Central Command to address the gazillion splinter groups...

About those gazillion splinter groups . . .

Who has time to investigate all of them?

Oye.
No need.

Just actively pursue, keep what is useful, discard what is not.

Rinse and repeat.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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kenny
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AL, I think that's wise advice.
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KlavierBauer
Dec 8 2010, 10:44 AM

Ren: I can't completely agree with that assessment (I deleted a lot - don't want to sidetrack too much from Kenny's great thread).

I didn't expect anyone, including myself, to agree with that statement. I just wanted Kenny to Google Constantine.
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sue
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kenny
Dec 8 2010, 10:56 AM
AL, I think that's wise advice.
sort of like parenting guides
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kenny
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Renauda
Dec 8 2010, 10:57 AM
KlavierBauer
Dec 8 2010, 10:44 AM

Ren: I can't completely agree with that assessment (I deleted a lot - don't want to sidetrack too much from Kenny's great thread).

I didn't expect anyone, including myself, to agree with that statement. I just wanted Kenny to Google Constantine.
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As the emperor who empowered Christianity throughout the Roman Empire and moved the capital to the banks of the Bosporus, Constantine was a ruler of major historical importance, but he has always been a controversial figure.[7]

The fluctuations in Constantine's reputation reflect the nature of the ancient sources for his reign.
These are abundant and detailed,[8] but have been strongly influenced by the official propaganda of the period,[9] and are often one-sided.[10]
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kenny
Dec 8 2010, 10:46 AM
kluurs
Dec 8 2010, 10:43 AM
There are variations in Buddhist philosophy - and some would disagree a bit with what I've said - OTH, there is no Central Command to address the gazillion splinter groups...

About those gazillion splinter groups . . .

Who has time to investigate all of them?

Oye.
Kind of a like bank - find one that's convenient to you...
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KlavierBauer
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Don't get mixed up with Constantine the film though... horribly disappointing, though mildly entertaining the first time (as long as you cast out all prior knowledge of history and religion and just watch it with a blank mind).
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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KlavierBauer
Dec 8 2010, 11:02 AM
Don't get mixed up with Constantine the film though... horribly disappointing, though mildly entertaining the first time (as long as you cast out all prior knowledge of history and religion and just watch it with a blank mind).
I had to actively work at it, but I was able to keep my suspension of disbelief in tact until they brought out the Cross Gun.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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kluurs
Dec 8 2010, 11:01 AM
Kind of a like bank - find one that's convenient to you...
that's good.
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KlavierBauer
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AL: Yeah, I had a hard time making it past Shiah Lebouf (I'm sure I misspelled his name, but don't care enough to look, and would rather spend that time writing out all of this meta data).

I also agree that the Cross Gun was sort of over the top - well, the idea of guns vs. demons was pretty sad - just like the Arnie movie where he fights the devil with guns.

Kenny: Constantine's a fascinating character in history - if you can find accurate stuff to read. His mother was amazing as well.
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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I'm shocked actually, to hear someone who adheres to Christianity say that Buddhism is in any way compatible. But then, I'm equaly shocked to hear someone say that today's Christianity is different from that of the early church, but that's another issue for another time.

Apparently many see Buddhism as some sort of exercise program, and not a religion. Buddhism evolved from Hinduism. It denies the existence of a soul, teaches that the present world isn't real, and puts you on the same hamster wheel of reincarnation as Hinduism does. None of this is the slightest bit compatible with what Jesus taught, or with Christianity.

The principles of Buddhism are good enough, that's not the problem. Who could argue with 1. Right living 2. Right aspiration 3. Right speech 4. Right behavior 5. Right occupation 6. Right effort 7. Right mindfulness 8. Right meditation? Those are all admirable goals, things we should all strive for. It's what Buddhism teaches *after* that that makes it incompatible with Christianity. You see, according to Buddhism, you must work your way through many lives until you reach Nirvana, which releases you from this endless cycle of birth and rebirth.

The problem with Buddhism is that its goals are beyond man's ability to reach, and leaves you to save yourself. You just can't get any more opposite of what Jesus Christ taught than that.

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kenny
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Larry
Dec 8 2010, 11:23 AM
I'm shocked actually, to hear someone who adheres to Christianity say that Buddhism is in any way compatible. But then, I'm equaly shocked to hear someone say that today's Christianity is different from that of the early church, but that's another issue for another time.

Apparently many see Buddhism as some sort of exercise program, and not a religion. Buddhism evolved from Hinduism. It denies the existence of a soul, teaches that the present world isn't real, and puts you on the same hamster wheel of reincarnation as Hinduism does. None of this is the slightest bit compatible with what Jesus taught, or with Christianity.

The principles of Buddhism are good enough, that's not the problem. Who could argue with 1. Right living 2. Right aspiration 3. Right speech 4. Right behavior 5. Right occupation 6. Right effort 7. Right mindfulness 8. Right meditation? Those are all admirable goals, things we should all strive for. It's what Buddhism teaches *after* that that makes it incompatible with Christianity. You see, according to Buddhism, you must work your way through many lives until you reach Nirvana, which releases you from this endless cycle of birth and rebirth.

The problem with Buddhism is that its goals are beyond man's ability to reach, and leaves you to save yourself. You just can't get any more opposite of what Jesus Christ taught than that.

Larry, did you write all of that or copy and paste some of it - not that there's anything wrong with doing that.
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I copied and pasted the 8 fold path, the rest was me.

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kenny
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Oh, thanks.

The "you see" gave it away.
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I don't think reincarnation or Nirvana work well if you have no soul.

Also - there are pretty large differences between modern protestantism and the early church theologically. Whichever side one takes on those issues doesn't matter - I'm not arguing my religion vs. yours or something. There are clearly some different teachings today that didn't exist 2000 years ago, one example being the 19th century idea of the Rapture, or Total Depravity, or ... the list goes on and on - there are lots of differences.

We've made it clear that philosophically, there is a lot of truth in Buddhism - loving those around you and treating them as you'd like to be treated being a big one. I've already said there may be differences in the two religions on the motivations for these teachings, but in practice there is a lot of truth in Buddhism.
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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Larry
Dec 8 2010, 11:23 AM
The problem with Buddhism is that its goals are beyond man's ability to reach, and leaves you to save yourself. You just can't get any more opposite of what Jesus Christ taught than that.

I don't see that at all.

Christianity's goals are beyond a man's ability to reach. We live in sin, none of us are perfect. We strive to adhere to the principles Jesus taught us but we're fallible and we're going to keep screwing up. The point is to keep trying.

And as for saving yourself, it's true that no one can be saved without going through Jesus, but he's also not advocating that we all sit on our laurels and leave him to do all the work. We have to meet him halfway, so to speak.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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kenny
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I don't like the word truth unless you are referring to 2+2 equalling four.
I prefer "stuff I agree with" or "that seems true to me" to the idea that such stuff could be truth with an upper-case T.
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KlavierBauer
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But 2 + 2 doesn't always equal 4, and in a non-Euclidian world parallel lines can intersect. By that logic, truth is pretty subjective.
Certainly there are some truths you accept as "truth" though, even without personal experience to back them up.

I guess, if truth exists, it won't matter if we like it or not - it will simply be.
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
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This is a perfect place in the discussion to mention this guy.

Discourse on the Method. Entirely applicable.
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Christianity's goals are beyond a man's ability to reach. We live in sin, none of us are perfect. We strive to adhere to the principles Jesus taught us but we're fallible and we're going to keep screwing up. The point is to keep trying.



What makes Christianity unique among all religions is that you don't have to work out your own salvation, and as a result is the *only* religion where you don't have to reach a "goal". "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" - in other words, you cannot do it yourself. God did it for you. All you have to do is accept it. That is the teaching of Jesus Christ.

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Dec 8 2010, 11:32 AM
I don't think reincarnation or Nirvana work well if you have no soul.

Also - there are pretty large differences between modern protestantism and the early church theologically. Whichever side one takes on those issues doesn't matter - I'm not arguing my religion vs. yours or something. There are clearly some different teachings today that didn't exist 2000 years ago, one example being the 19th century idea of the Rapture, or Total Depravity, or ... the list goes on and on - there are lots of differences.

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I don't think reincarnation or Nirvana work well if you have no soul.


I agree with you. Just one of the many contradictions in the religion.


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Also - there are pretty large differences between modern protestantism and the early church theologically. Whichever side one takes on those issues doesn't matter - I'm not arguing my religion vs. yours or something. There are clearly some different teachings today that didn't exist 2000 years ago, one example being the 19th century idea of the Rapture, or Total Depravity, or ... the list goes on and on - there are lots of differences.



Like I said, this is a different argument for a different time - but you are incorrect. It is the Catholic church and the Orthodox church that have little in common with early Christianity, not Protestantism.

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That's one interpretation of it - yet another difference between some of the more than 16,000 flavors of Christianity.
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Dec 8 2010, 11:42 AM
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Christianity's goals are beyond a man's ability to reach. We live in sin, none of us are perfect. We strive to adhere to the principles Jesus taught us but we're fallible and we're going to keep screwing up. The point is to keep trying.


What makes Christianity unique among all religions is that you don't have to work out your own salvation, and as a result is the *only* religion where you don't have to reach a "goal". "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" - in other words, you cannot do it yourself. God did it for you. All you have to do is accept it. That is the teaching of Jesus Christ.

Well, this might be a place where Catholics and Protestants interpret differently. Catholics hold the belief that absolution of sin comes from confession, and a sincere desire to correct our faults.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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