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| KlavierBauer | Dec 10 2010, 07:00 PM Post #401 |
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Ha! Depends on the type of gas, but I'm sure we can diffuse it sufficiently. Heck, it may disperse naturally if left alone. Works with White gas and Natural gas... ... and methane I've heard. (exception: SBD) |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Axtremus | Dec 10 2010, 07:21 PM Post #402 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Now, on page 17, let's get back to Buddhism ...Source: http://community.palouse.net/lotus/diamond26-33.htm Kenny, you dig? |
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| KlavierBauer | Dec 10 2010, 07:55 PM Post #403 |
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Everyone, let's let Ax and Kenny have this thread back. They're both obviously *super* anxious to talk about this. Ax posts beautiful, meaningful, and truthful writings, asks Kenny if he digs, and Kenny says "I dig." Sort of beatnik really. *snaps fingers as he walks away* |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Larry | Dec 10 2010, 08:00 PM Post #404 |
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I wish you'd decide which side of that fence you're going to stand on. These kinds of jams happen when one tries to massage his answer in order to "win" an argument. I asked where the Bible taught the notion that we had to have an intermediary to confess our sins, and you claimed you didn't, that you only had to have a "witness". Then you had to back up and admit the only one qualified to be that "witness" was a priest. Now you admit a priest is necessary, but add another tangent that was not even part of the original question. So the facts are, your religion says you have to confess to a witness, the witness can only be an orthodox priest. I know of no scripture that says that is necessary, which means you are following church dogma instead of scripture, and not all church dogma is scriptural based. |
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| KlavierBauer | Dec 10 2010, 08:07 PM Post #405 |
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I was careful not to stipulate what was "needed" - I tried instead to bring context to the sacrament itself. I tried to be clear that my effort was to communicate that the priest isn't himself absolving one of sins, and that God is. My use of the word "witness" was to take focus away from the Priest as the one absolving you of sins. I'm on one side of the fence, but I apologize if my communication wasn't clear. Your summary of my stance is precisely why I tried to stay out of the logistics of it, and speak about the point of the sacrament itself. The idea isn't that sins are only pardoned if confessed to a Priest. The concept is a much more complex and deep one (as is the case with sacraments in general) having to do with the physical actions we take to aid in the working out of our salvation. These include things like Baptism, Communion, Confession, Marriage, and so on. So, this isn't a discussion on the legalistic "you have to do this or that," but of "how can I best practice humility to better prepare myself?" I've commented enough on the "but that isn't scriptural" idea - so I'll just let that slide. |
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| Larry | Dec 10 2010, 08:21 PM Post #406 |
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Since that wasn't what I had asked, there was no reason to spend such effort making that point.
Your use of the word "witness" was because you were trying to dodge my question through semantics, because you knew full well that I didn't ask if you believed a priest is the one who forgave your sins, but if you had to go through a priest to confess your sins. Had you used the word priest, you would have been admitting the very thing you were trying to explain away.
You now give a list of legalistic church dogma that has nothing to do with scripture and then tell me it isn't a discussion of legalistic church dogma. |
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| KlavierBauer | Dec 10 2010, 09:06 PM Post #407 |
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I'm not dodging anything, but trying to bring some clarity perhaps, to the post that you questioned, where you asserted I was flip-flopping around. I'm also not trying to explain anything away, but trying to explain a complex idea in pretty general terms for two reasons: 1) I already know you don't agree with it, so there isn't much gained by me explaining it in great detail, and 2) You keep bringing it back to "confession of sins" as a blanket statement, rather than the Sacrament of confession which I'm describing - so I'm not sure you're seeing the difference between God's Grace being able to account for, and remove our sins, and the personal act/sacrament of confession where one practices a cleansing humility by admitting the flaws on their conscience to a person in a position of authority, seeking absolution, counseling, and prayer (confession is more like a counseling session than the typical movie depiction). I wasn't trying to respond with legalistic dogma in describing your summary, I was trying to speak gently about why I've described some things the way I have, as I feel there is some trouble in understanding them completely. I'm not engaging you in conflict, but simply trying to explain why I believe what I do - I'm not trying to convert you, so you needn't defend anything. I already know you don't agree with me, so pointing out where you think I'm wrong only seems provocative, and off-putting. IT correctly pointed out an area where I was ambiguous, which I admitted, and tried to correct without saying anything I didn't personally find truthful, and without getting into a discussion of finer details above my own level of understanding - but I don't think that makes me a back-peddler. That's about all I can tell you - as I said quite awhile back, I enjoy the discussion, but only if it's just that - I have no intention of arguing or debating my beliefs. I'm not trying to convince you that mine are right - I'm simply trying to show that they may have validity, and aren't "new age" as has been promoted. I have no desire to change your beliefs if you're happy with them Larry, and I wish you nothing but the best, every day of your life (which should go without saying, but just in case...). |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| John D'Oh | Dec 10 2010, 09:08 PM Post #408 |
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| KlavierBauer | Dec 10 2010, 09:15 PM Post #409 |
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WAKA WAKA WAKA!!! |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Renauda | Dec 11 2010, 08:52 AM Post #410 |
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So are you then suggesting the Eastern and Latin Rites are guilty of the heinous sin of legal positivism? ....the problem, Larry, lies with the peculiar and overly facile brand of *protestantism* of latter day schismatics such as yourself, not with the established and revered traditions and sacraments of the Apostolic Church. Bite me. |
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| Larry | Dec 11 2010, 05:22 PM Post #411 |
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I see that your religion is more important to you than the God it supposedly worships. I can see a situation where somewhere out in the future, someone will make the point that Buddhism and Christianity used to be two different religions and there used to be some guy they talked about who claimed to be God incarnate but the only thing they can remember about him now is that he was a little fat man who sat with his legs crossed... and a preacher will wake himself up from his meditative trance long enough to smile and say "Ok..." and then go back to chanting his "centering word", smugly secure in his opinion that the poor fellow was just not as informed as him - and someone in the room who's more interested in his religion rituals than he is in anything else will get in a huff and say "bite me". I haven't asked you to accept protestantism. I haven't said a thing to you as you repeatedly tried to take swipes at protestantism. I am not even the one who turned this into a discussion of catholic/orthodox/protestantism. I made it quite clear that I was discussing the infiltration of New Age thought into the church, yours, mine, and every other brand of Christian church there is out there. But you and KB seem to be more concerned with protecting the legalism and ritualism of your church than you do in discussing the cancer that is spreading throughout the entire Christian church. So sir, you can bite ME. |
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| John D'Oh | Dec 11 2010, 08:38 PM Post #412 |
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You chaps should join the Church of England. We welcome free thinkers, and disagreement is permitted, in fact it's almost obligatory. I believe that even women are allowed to become priests, in direct contradiction of Saint Paul's teaching. UNBELIEVABLE! WOMEN, IN CASSOCKS! How's that for radical - going against the express instructions of some bloke who lived 2000 years ago! Sadly, the cunning Bavarian currently residing in Vatican City has attempted to take advantage of this, by attempting to entice right-thinking people over to his empire! There is no depth to which he will not stoop to undo what 'Enery VIII started! I say, ignore these evil machinations. Stay true to the one true church. Canterbury and Saint George shall rise again! [Salutes] |
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| Renauda | Dec 12 2010, 08:14 AM Post #413 |
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I have no church. I am apostate. Although you're right, I Maul me. |
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| Larry | Dec 12 2010, 10:21 AM Post #414 |
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I hate mauls... |
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| AndyD | Dec 12 2010, 11:23 AM Post #415 |
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Senior Carp
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An ironic summary of everything that is right with the C of E.
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Every morning the soul is once again as good as new, and again one offers it to one's brothers & sisters in life. | |
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| jon-nyc | Dec 12 2010, 05:19 PM Post #416 |
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Oh man, the fetus really hit the fan now. |
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| Axtremus | Dec 13 2010, 05:09 AM Post #417 |
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Source: [/i]itigarbha%20Bodhisattva%20Vow%20Sutra.htm]LINK Kenny, you dig? |
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| kenny | Dec 13 2010, 06:28 AM Post #418 |
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Well, I read it. I've been digging over 50 years now. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Dec 13 2010, 06:57 AM Post #419 |
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It's probably past time to go see a doctor about it, then. |
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| Larry | Dec 13 2010, 07:25 AM Post #420 |
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Preparation H helps with that. |
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| John D'Oh | Dec 13 2010, 07:25 AM Post #421 |
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Buddhists speak like 1950's jazz musicians! I'm gone, brother! |
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| Axtremus | Dec 13 2010, 07:41 AM Post #422 |
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Nah ... Ax speak is not necessarily representative of Buddhists speak; no more that D'Oh speak being representative of Church of England speak.
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| John D'Oh | Dec 13 2010, 07:57 AM Post #423 |
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I believe that Dr. Owen Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury has been known to refer to His Holiness as 'The Bavarian knobhead', although admittedly only behind closed doors. |
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| Kincaid | Dec 13 2010, 11:16 PM Post #424 |
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I can't believe I read the whole thing. |
| Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006. | |
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