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| Axtremus | Dec 10 2010, 09:02 AM Post #301 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Now, for page 13, getting back to Buddhism again ...
Source: http://www4.bayarea.net/~mtlee/10.txt Kenny, you dig? |
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| God | Dec 10 2010, 09:02 AM Post #302 |
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You and every other ritard on the road. |
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| KlavierBauer | Dec 10 2010, 09:03 AM Post #303 |
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IT: You're absolutely right - and I honestly don't know the answer. There's a long Orthodox tradition of sermonizing on the "eye of the needle" in reference to a small passage, which a camel could only pass through by dropping to its knees, or with its burdens unloaded from its back. It's long been debated though, whether or not that was the case - as you say, there's no actual evidence of such a passageway existing. The debate, in the limited amount that I've read it, seems to be based on the following: "Camel" was never intended in the scripture - There is one argument pointing to the original text using "rope" rather than "camel" - but people seem fairly divided on that. From what I've read, it seems there's an argument to be made for "rope" showing up later, and "camel" being there originally. The Aramaic word "gamla" however, means both "large rope" and "camel" - so there may be validity to the original claim. Luke seems to clear this up in Greek, by using the greek word to specifically describe a surgeon's needle, seemingly to avoid any confusion. Not reading in either language, I can't confirm this, or speak to its authenticity. I'm basically just regurgitating here. But yes, your point is valid, and I can't argue it. *edit* For me, putting the entire passage into context, the message changes very little. It's the words that come after this that mean the most. Edited by KlavierBauer, Dec 10 2010, 09:05 AM.
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Renauda | Dec 10 2010, 09:04 AM Post #304 |
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My definition of New Age thought is protestantism. I agree it's a huge problem. A cancerous poison infecting Christendom that ought to have been dealt with decisively and ruthlessly in the 16th Century. |
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| KlavierBauer | Dec 10 2010, 09:06 AM Post #305 |
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Without wanting to sound harsh, I do agree with this statement. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Larry | Dec 10 2010, 09:09 AM Post #306 |
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Ah, so the two of you think we should go back to a time when people weren't allowed to read the Bible for themselves, and had to be told what to believe by the priests..... Obviously neither one of you have a clue what I'm talking about. |
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| KlavierBauer | Dec 10 2010, 09:10 AM Post #307 |
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huh? No, I'm all for reading the Bible yourself. Much of the discussion in this thread could easily be averted if all parties discussing read in Greek, Hebrew, and Latin. The problem comes when people talk about "what the bible says" in a language, translated poorly from another language, which was a poor, translation of the original text (in the case of the vulgate vs. septuagint). What I think is dangerous - is everyone reading it themselves in the dark so to speak - without context, and without guidance, free to make their own interpretations of what they're reading. Make up your own mind by all means, but to do that without any historical reference can be a dangerous slope - that's all. Edited by KlavierBauer, Dec 10 2010, 09:13 AM.
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Larry | Dec 10 2010, 09:12 AM Post #308 |
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KB, do you not know why we're called Protestants? |
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| Aqua Letifer | Dec 10 2010, 09:13 AM Post #309 |
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Because you went overboard with Luther's intentions? ![]() It's said he was aiming for heavy reform, not all-out secession from the Church at the time. |
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| Renauda | Dec 10 2010, 09:14 AM Post #310 |
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Perhaps you're right but I personally don't think you have a clue about what you're talking about either on the topic of pre-reformation Christendom. |
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| KlavierBauer | Dec 10 2010, 09:15 AM Post #311 |
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Larry: I'm not sure what you're ultimately getting at, but I do know why protestants are called protestants, yes. I have a decent understanding or the Protestant Reformation, and what was being protested. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Larry | Dec 10 2010, 09:19 AM Post #312 |
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Frank, there is absolutely nothing wrong with saying "here I am Lord" and just listening. That isn't what I have been talking about. As for the kingdom of heaven not being synonymous with God or salvation - I have no idea what you're trying to say, since that's about the same as saying breathing has nothing to do with air. |
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| Larry | Dec 10 2010, 09:22 AM Post #313 |
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I haven't been talking about pre-reformation Christendom. I have been talking about the infiltration of New Age thought into today's Christendom. In case you weren't aware of it, it's a problem that is being addressed by the entirety of the Christian church, whether it be Eastern Orthodox, Catholic, or Protestant. |
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| Frank_W | Dec 10 2010, 09:28 AM Post #314 |
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If you can't differentiate between salvation, God, and the Kingdom Of Heaven, then it's no wonder we can't seem to have a coherent conversation on the topic, so I'm done, here. ![]() It is interesting that you are so adamant about your point of view, and yet, you're the only one in this thread who seems to think that you're right, even over and above an ordained minister.
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| Larry | Dec 10 2010, 09:29 AM Post #315 |
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Than Frank, how about you differentiate those three things for me.
As I suspected, you did *not* read any of the links I posted. If you had, you'd have seen that I'm not the only one who "thinks he's right", I have a *lot* of company - all of them ordained ministers and theologians. |
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| Frank_W | Dec 10 2010, 09:31 AM Post #316 |
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What would be the use? You need someone to set 'em up so you can knock 'em down? Find some other bitch to hold your targets. I've said all that I have to say on the topic. Obviously, if the Kingdom of Heaven were synonymous with God and also with salvation, there wouldn't be any need for calling them by separate terms, would there? Come on, Larry: This is growing tedious.
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| Larry | Dec 10 2010, 09:35 AM Post #317 |
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Frank..... Either there is a God or there isn't. If there isn't, there is no kingdom of heaven, and there is no salvation. If there is a God, then the kingdom of heaven is God's kingdom, and salvation is of God. If you can explain to me how these 3 things are not totally connected, then I want to hear it. Otherwise, take your hostile attitude and shove it up your ass. |
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| KlavierBauer | Dec 10 2010, 09:38 AM Post #318 |
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Larry: I think Ren was referring to the beginning of this thread, where you were adamant about a few points on the early church, and pre-reformation church. You were fairly adamant about a few things that the early church "was about." For example, you did make the claim that the Protestant church is more inline with the early church than ... the early church. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| KlavierBauer | Dec 10 2010, 09:40 AM Post #319 |
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Larry, Frank's never implied that those three things aren't connected. He had a problem with them being synonymous. Big difference. "Connected" != "Synonymous" |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Frank_W | Dec 10 2010, 09:49 AM Post #320 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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*shaking my head....* |
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| Larry | Dec 10 2010, 09:53 AM Post #321 |
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If that's what Frank was saying, then I apologize for misunderstanding him. Reading what he said in its context however, I do not see him making the distinction you are making. |
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| Frank_W | Dec 10 2010, 09:57 AM Post #322 |
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How many different ways can I possibly say that the three of them are NOT THE SAME? |
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| Copper | Dec 10 2010, 09:59 AM Post #323 |
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Shortstop
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Yes the most important thing for all drivers is to get out of my way. And then of course I will get out of theirs. No more traffic. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Larry | Dec 10 2010, 10:01 AM Post #324 |
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Then again Frank, explain to me what differences between them it is that you wish to emphasize. What is your point? |
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| KlavierBauer | Dec 10 2010, 10:01 AM Post #325 |
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John, Copper: I totally agree. I recently wrote on my blog a long tirade about today's drivers. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's the guy doing 56 in the left lane, and a half mile of empty road in front of him. Don't get me started on people barely accelerating up the on-ramp as we're about to enter 75mph traffic. If people understood how to "merge" (i.e., you have to be going the same speed) we'd have far fewer problems on the road. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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