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Buddhism
Topic Started: Dec 8 2010, 08:08 AM (5,151 Views)
Axtremus
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Now, for page 13, getting back to Buddhism again ...

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Excerpt from "THE DISCOURSE ON THE TEN WHOLESOME WAYS OF ACTION"

Oh Dragon King, if one gives up taking life then one will accomplish ten ways of being free from vexations. What are the ten?
i. One give universally to all beings without fear
ii. One always has a heart of great compassion towards all beings
iii. All habitual tendencies of hate in oneself will be cut off forever
iv. One's body is always free from illness
v. One's life is long
vi. One is constantly protected by non-human beings
vii. One is always without bad dreams, one sleeps and wakes happily
viii. The entanglement of enmity is eradicated and one is free from all hatred
ix. One is free from the dread of evil destinies
x. When one's life comes to an end one will be born as a deva

These are the ten. If one is one who is able to turn-towards the Highest Perfect Illumination, one will later at the time one becomes Buddha attain to the ability peculiar to the Buddha, to live as long as one wishes.

Again, oh Dragon King, if one gives up stealing then one will attain to ten kinds of dharmas which can protect one's confidence. what are the ten?
i. One's wealth will increase and accumulate and cannot be scattered or destroyed by Kings, robbers, floods, fires, and careless sons.
ii. One is thought of with fondness by many people.
iii. People do not take advantage of one.
iv. Everywhere one is praised
v. One is above the worry, that one oneself could be injured.
vi. One's good name spreads
vii. One is without fear in public.
viii. One is endowed with wealth, long life, strength, peace, happiness, and skill in speech, without deficiencies
ix. One always thinks of giving
x. At the end of one's life, one will be born as a deva

These are the ten. If one is one who is able to turn towards the Highest Perfect Illumination, one will later at the time one becomes Buddha, attain to the realization of the purified great illumination wisdom.


Source: http://www4.bayarea.net/~mtlee/10.txt

Kenny, you dig?
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kenny
Dec 10 2010, 08:44 AM
I go crawlando.
You and every other ritard on the road.
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IT: You're absolutely right - and I honestly don't know the answer.
There's a long Orthodox tradition of sermonizing on the "eye of the needle" in reference to a small passage, which a camel could only pass through by dropping to its knees, or with its burdens unloaded from its back.
It's long been debated though, whether or not that was the case - as you say, there's no actual evidence of such a passageway existing.
The debate, in the limited amount that I've read it, seems to be based on the following:
"Camel" was never intended in the scripture - There is one argument pointing to the original text using "rope" rather than "camel" - but people seem fairly divided on that. From what I've read, it seems there's an argument to be made for "rope" showing up later, and "camel" being there originally. The Aramaic word "gamla" however, means both "large rope" and "camel" - so there may be validity to the original claim.
Luke seems to clear this up in Greek, by using the greek word to specifically describe a surgeon's needle, seemingly to avoid any confusion.

Not reading in either language, I can't confirm this, or speak to its authenticity. I'm basically just regurgitating here.
But yes, your point is valid, and I can't argue it.

*edit* For me, putting the entire passage into context, the message changes very little. It's the words that come after this that mean the most.
Edited by KlavierBauer, Dec 10 2010, 09:05 AM.
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Larry
 
I'm not interested in doing myself any favors, actually. The simple fact is, New Age thought has infiltrated the Christian church to the point that it has become one of the biggest dangers Christianity has ever faced. This isn't news, and I'm not the only one who sees it - it's a huge topic. There is no reason to expect Frank to know that or understand it. Dewey should know better.



My definition of New Age thought is protestantism.

I agree it's a huge problem. A cancerous poison infecting Christendom that ought to have been dealt with decisively and ruthlessly in the 16th Century.
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ren
 
My definition of New Age thought is protestantism.

Without wanting to sound harsh, I do agree with this statement.
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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Ah, so the two of you think we should go back to a time when people weren't allowed to read the Bible for themselves, and had to be told what to believe by the priests.....

Obviously neither one of you have a clue what I'm talking about.
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huh?

No, I'm all for reading the Bible yourself. Much of the discussion in this thread could easily be averted if all parties discussing read in Greek, Hebrew, and Latin.
The problem comes when people talk about "what the bible says" in a language, translated poorly from another language, which was a poor, translation of the original text (in the case of the vulgate vs. septuagint).
What I think is dangerous - is everyone reading it themselves in the dark so to speak - without context, and without guidance, free to make their own interpretations of what they're reading. Make up your own mind by all means, but to do that without any historical reference can be a dangerous slope - that's all.
Edited by KlavierBauer, Dec 10 2010, 09:13 AM.
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"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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KB, do you not know why we're called Protestants?
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Dec 10 2010, 09:12 AM
KB, do you not know why we're called Protestants?
Because you went overboard with Luther's intentions? ^_^

It's said he was aiming for heavy reform, not all-out secession from the Church at the time.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Larry
Dec 10 2010, 09:09 AM
Ah, so the two of you think we should go back to a time when people weren't allowed to read the Bible for themselves, and had to be told what to believe by the priests.....

Obviously neither one of you have a clue what I'm talking about.
Perhaps you're right but I personally don't think you have a clue about what you're talking about either on the topic of pre-reformation Christendom.
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Larry: I'm not sure what you're ultimately getting at, but I do know why protestants are called protestants, yes.
I have a decent understanding or the Protestant Reformation, and what was being protested.
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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Frank_W
Dec 10 2010, 07:11 AM
I never made that claim, Larry. The "kingdom of Heaven" is not synonymous with God or salvation. Please refrain from putting words in my mouth. Again, I ask you: What could possibly be so wrong or bad, if like Samuel of the Old Testament, we said, "Here I am, Lord," and just listened?
Frank, there is absolutely nothing wrong with saying "here I am Lord" and just listening. That isn't what I have been talking about.

As for the kingdom of heaven not being synonymous with God or salvation - I have no idea what you're trying to say, since that's about the same as saying breathing has nothing to do with air.
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Perhaps you're right but I personally don't think you have a clue about what you're talking about either on the topic of pre-reformation Christendom.


I haven't been talking about pre-reformation Christendom. I have been talking about the infiltration of New Age thought into today's Christendom. In case you weren't aware of it, it's a problem that is being addressed by the entirety of the Christian church, whether it be Eastern Orthodox, Catholic, or Protestant.
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Dec 10 2010, 09:19 AM
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Dec 10 2010, 07:11 AM
I never made that claim, Larry. The "kingdom of Heaven" is not synonymous with God or salvation. Please refrain from putting words in my mouth. Again, I ask you: What could possibly be so wrong or bad, if like Samuel of the Old Testament, we said, "Here I am, Lord," and just listened?
Frank, there is absolutely nothing wrong with saying "here I am Lord" and just listening. That isn't what I have been talking about.

As for the kingdom of heaven not being synonymous with God or salvation - I have no idea what you're trying to say, since that's about the same as saying breathing has nothing to do with air.
If you can't differentiate between salvation, God, and the Kingdom Of Heaven, then it's no wonder we can't seem to have a coherent conversation on the topic, so I'm done, here. :no: :rolleyes:

It is interesting that you are so adamant about your point of view, and yet, you're the only one in this thread who seems to think that you're right, even over and above an ordained minister.

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Than Frank, how about you differentiate those three things for me.


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It is interesting that you are so adamant about your point of view, and yet, you're the only one in this thread who seems to think that you're right, even over and above an ordained minister.



As I suspected, you did *not* read any of the links I posted. If you had, you'd have seen that I'm not the only one who "thinks he's right", I have a *lot* of company - all of them ordained ministers and theologians.

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What would be the use? You need someone to set 'em up so you can knock 'em down? Find some other bitch to hold your targets. I've said all that I have to say on the topic. Obviously, if the Kingdom of Heaven were synonymous with God and also with salvation, there wouldn't be any need for calling them by separate terms, would there? :rolleyes: Come on, Larry: This is growing tedious.
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Frank.....

Either there is a God or there isn't. If there isn't, there is no kingdom of heaven, and there is no salvation. If there is a God, then the kingdom of heaven is God's kingdom, and salvation is of God. If you can explain to me how these 3 things are not totally connected, then I want to hear it. Otherwise, take your hostile attitude and shove it up your ass.

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Larry: I think Ren was referring to the beginning of this thread, where you were adamant about a few points on the early church, and pre-reformation church. You were fairly adamant about a few things that the early church "was about." For example, you did make the claim that the Protestant church is more inline with the early church than ... the early church.
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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Larry, Frank's never implied that those three things aren't connected. He had a problem with them being synonymous.
Big difference.

"Connected" != "Synonymous"
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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*shaking my head....*
Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
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Dec 10 2010, 09:40 AM
Larry, Frank's never implied that those three things aren't connected. He had a problem with them being synonymous.
Big difference.

"Connected" != "Synonymous"
If that's what Frank was saying, then I apologize for misunderstanding him. Reading what he said in its context however, I do not see him making the distinction you are making.

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How many different ways can I possibly say that the three of them are NOT THE SAME?
Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
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Dec 10 2010, 08:19 AM
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Dec 10 2010, 08:15 AM
I pray people would use less gas.
I pray that the bloke in front of me driving at a steady 56 mph will die, die die!!!! decide he needs to take a break and pull over.

Yes the most important thing for all drivers is to get out of my way.

And then of course I will get out of theirs.

No more traffic.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Then again Frank, explain to me what differences between them it is that you wish to emphasize. What is your point?
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John, Copper: I totally agree.
I recently wrote on my blog a long tirade about today's drivers.
If there's one thing I can't stand, it's the guy doing 56 in the left lane, and a half mile of empty road in front of him.
Don't get me started on people barely accelerating up the on-ramp as we're about to enter 75mph traffic. If people understood how to "merge" (i.e., you have to be going the same speed) we'd have far fewer problems on the road.
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"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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