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Buddhism
Topic Started: Dec 8 2010, 08:08 AM (5,154 Views)
Axtremus
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Now (at page 10) let's get back Buddhism …

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… 4. Now the Blessed One, on realising what was the drift of their talk, went to the pavilion, and took his seat on the mat spread out for him. And when he had sat down he said: 'What is the talk on which you are engaged sitting here, and what is the subject of the conversation between you?' And they told him all. And he said:

   5. 'Brethren, if outsiders should speak against me, or against the Doctrine, [3] or against the Order, you should not on that account either bear malice, or suffer heart-burning, or feel illwill. If you, on that account, should be angry and hurt, that would stand in the way of your own self-conquest. If, when others speak against us, you feel angry at that, and displeased, would you then be able to judge how far that speech of theirs is well said or ill?'

   'That would not be so, Sir.'

   'But when outsiders speak in dispraise of me, or of the Doctrine, or of the Order, you should unravel what is false and point it out as wrong, saying: "For this or that reason this is not the fact, that is not so, such a thing is not found among us, is not in us."

   6. 'But also, brethren, if outsiders should speak in praise of me, in praise of the Doctrine, in praise of the Order, you should not, on that account, be filled with pleasure or gladness, or be lifted up in heart. Were you to be so that also would stand in the way of your self-conquest. When outsiders speak in praise of me, or of the Doctrine, or of the Order, you should acknowledge what is right to be the fact, saying: "For this or that reason this is the fact, that is so, such a thing is found among us, is in us."

   7. 'It is in respect only of trifling things, of matters of little value, of mere morality, that an unconverted man, when praising the Tathâgata, would speak. And what are such trifling, minor details of mere morality that he would praise?'

   8. '"Putting away the killing of living things, Gotama the recluse holds aloof from the destruction of life. He has laid the cudgel and the sword aside, and ashamed of roughness, and full of mercy, he dwells compassionate and kind to all creatures that have life." It is thus that the unconverted man, when speaking in praise of the Tathâgata, might speak{1}.

   'Or he might say: "Putting away the taking of what has not been given, Gotama the recluse lived aloof from grasping what is not his own. He takes only what is given, and expecting that gifts will come{2}, he passes his life in honesty and purity of heart."

   'Or he might say: "Putting away unchastity, Gotama the recluse is chaste. He holds himself aloof, far off, from the vulgar practice, from the sexual act{3}."

   9. 'Or he might say: "Putting away lying words, Gotama the recluse holds himself aloof from falsehood. He speaks truth, from the truth he never swerves; faithful and trustworthy, he breaks not his word to the world."

   'Or he might say: "Putting away slander, Gotama the recluse holds himself aloof from calumny. What he hears here he repeats not elsewhere to raise a quarrel against the people here; what he hears elsewhere he repeats not here to raise a quarrel against the people there. Thus does he live as a binder together of those who are divided, an encourager of those who are friends, a peacemaker, a lover of peace, impassioned for peace, a speaker of words that make for peace."

   'Or he might say: "Putting away rudeness of speech, Gotama the recluse holds himself aloof from harsh language. Whatsoever word is blameless, pleasant to the ear, lovely, reaching to the heart, urbane{1}, pleasing to the people, beloved of the people--such are words he speaks."

   'Or he might say: "Putting away frivolous talk{2}, Gotama the recluse holds himself aloof from vain conversation. In season he speaks, in accordance with the facts, words full of meaning, on religion, on the discipline of the Order. He speaks, and at the right time, words worthy to be laid up in one's heart, [5] fitly illustrated, clearly divided, to the point."

   10. 'Or he might say: "Gotama the recluse holds himself aloof from causing injury to seeds or plants{3}.
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/dob/dob-01tx.htm

Kenny, you dig?

Discuss.
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I like Taoism too...
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Me too, Kluurs. :)
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kluurs
Dec 9 2010, 02:04 PM
I like Taoism too...
Start a new thread for Taoism, then. :D
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A final thought on the Bible and Christianity and mysticism: "The Kingdom of Heaven is within you."

How else is someone supposed to find the Kingdom of Heaven within themselves, except by contemplation/meditation? Hrmmm?

And my other question was never answered: What would be so wrong if, as a Christian, someone sat down, quieted themselves inwardly, filled themselves with love for God, and then said, "Here i am, God. I'm listening," and then sat quietly for ten or fifteen minutes?

And if a person did this every single day, at the same time, as though they were keeping an appointment with God, what kind of difference would that make to a person's relationship with God?

I submit that it would make all the difference in the world -- That it would truly be the beginning of something deeply personal and amazing.

No "centering prayer," and none of the mysticism stuff. Just sitting and listening quietly....
Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
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kluurs
Dec 9 2010, 02:04 PM
I like Taoism too...
Die, heretic scum!
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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kenny
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kluurs
Dec 9 2010, 02:04 PM
I like Taoism too...
In your own words, what is Taoism?

Please don't send me to a book.

I'm interested in you.
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Dec 9 2010, 08:57 AM
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Dec 8 2010, 07:32 PM
Has anyone told k yet that the Buddha didn't like people with alternate sexual preferences very much?
Has anyone told the Copperhead that he has no idea what the Buddha may or may not have said on the matter?

ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_topics_and_Buddhism


The Copperhead would be advised to stick more mundane topics such as avionics and computers. Perhaps go watch reruns or DVD boxsets of I Dream of Jeannie or Petticoat Junction.

The LGBTTYISB wiki may not be the most accurate source on this topic.

It's kind of funny to watch them paint Mr. Buddha as a modern progressive democrat.

I bet he was against global warming too.

The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Dec 9 2010, 02:10 PM

And my other question was never answered: What would be so wrong if, as a Christian, someone sat down, quieted themselves inwardly, filled themselves with love for God, and then said, "Here i am, God. I'm listening," and then sat quietly for ten or fifteen minutes?

They would be suddenly awoken by the shouts and jeers of the Westboro Baptist Church on their front lawn condeming their heresy.
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Tao is "the way."

"The way" things are, "the way" things work, "the way" nature is.

Taoism is the study of or reflection on or adherence to "the way."
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Dec 9 2010, 02:16 PM
It's kind of funny to watch them paint Mr. Buddha as a modern progressive democrat.

I bet he was against global too.

Almost as funny as watching people paint Jesus as a modern American conservative.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Copper
Dec 9 2010, 02:16 PM
The LGBTTYISB wiki may not be the most accurate source on this topic.


No more or less accurate on the topic of Buddha than some other links I've seen posted here.

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It's kind of funny to watch them paint Mr. Buddha as a modern progressive democrat.


It's even funnier trying to contemplate how and why you wrote that.
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Dec 9 2010, 02:17 PM
Frank_W
Dec 9 2010, 02:10 PM

And my other question was never answered: What would be so wrong if, as a Christian, someone sat down, quieted themselves inwardly, filled themselves with love for God, and then said, "Here i am, God. I'm listening," and then sat quietly for ten or fifteen minutes?

They would be suddenly awoken by the shouts and jeers of the Westboro Baptist Church on their front lawn condeming their heresy.
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Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!"
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Copper
Dec 9 2010, 02:16 PM
Renauda
Dec 9 2010, 08:57 AM
Copper
Dec 8 2010, 07:32 PM
Has anyone told k yet that the Buddha didn't like people with alternate sexual preferences very much?
Has anyone told the Copperhead that he has no idea what the Buddha may or may not have said on the matter?

ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_topics_and_Buddhism


It's kind of funny to watch them paint Mr. Buddha as a modern progressive democrat.

I bet he was against global warming too.


Mr. Buddha liked global warming and supported faster depreciation of capital equipment associated with oil drilling. He once went hunting with Dick Cheney and lived to tell about it.
Edited by kluurs, Dec 9 2010, 03:32 PM.
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Frank_W
Dec 9 2010, 02:10 PM
A final thought on the Bible and Christianity and mysticism: "The Kingdom of Heaven is within you."

How else is someone supposed to find the Kingdom of Heaven within themselves, except by contemplation/meditation? Hrmmm?

And my other question was never answered: What would be so wrong if, as a Christian, someone sat down, quieted themselves inwardly, filled themselves with love for God, and then said, "Here i am, God. I'm listening," and then sat quietly for ten or fifteen minutes?

And if a person did this every single day, at the same time, as though they were keeping an appointment with God, what kind of difference would that make to a person's relationship with God?

I submit that it would make all the difference in the world -- That it would truly be the beginning of something deeply personal and amazing.

No "centering prayer," and none of the mysticism stuff. Just sitting and listening quietly....
Indeed, Frank, that is an essential part of it.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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I think I'm starting to feel the spirit of Christmas...
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And my other question was never answered: What would be so wrong if, as a Christian, someone sat down, quieted themselves inwardly, filled themselves with love for God, and then said, "Here i am, God. I'm listening," and then sat quietly for ten or fifteen minutes?

Absolutely nothing is wrong with that. In fact, some of the Desert Fathers taught that this was an integral part of prayer - being able to be quiet and listen. The idea being - how else are we supposed to listen to God when we're too busy telling him what we need?

Ax: the writing you quoted is beautiful. There is definitely a lot to be learned by others in this world no?
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
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kluurs
Dec 9 2010, 02:44 PM
I think I'm starting to feel the spirit of Christmas...
U wanna go Xmas chopping?
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Careful making the distinction between Christmas and Xmas! You may start to sound religious (or Greek) using Xmas. :)
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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kenny
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whatev
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Man, I can't seem to joke at all with you these days...
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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..............
Quiet is good. Listening is productive. Waiting is another form of serving.
“Weeds are flowers, too, once you get to know them.”
~A.A. Milne
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kenny
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Dec 9 2010, 02:51 PM
Man, I can't seem to joke at all with you these days...

Why so serious?

I just assume a high comfort level.
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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kenny
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Do you suppose that make up artist won any awards?
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