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Topic Started: Nov 30 2010, 09:22 AM (759 Views)
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Luke's Dad
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I'd feel guilty as hell every time I sinned in a house like that.
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Frank_W
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No way!! That would be awesome!! What are those egg-lookin' things in front of the bookcase? Do they have pet dinosaurs, there?

Are these people allergic to color, or something? The place needs more colors and textures. It's almost institutional, the way they've got it, now. It's a church! No, it's an insane asylum! No, it's a surgery suite!
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Gorgeous! I hate the interior decor, I'd totally redo that, (way too cold) but the building is fabulous. Love it.

First thing to go is that awful grapevine crap around the arch.
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Still a little too churchy for my tastes. I do like the stained glass and vaulted ceilings.
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Nov 30 2010, 09:23 AM
I'd feel guilty as hell every time I sinned in a house like that.
Heck I'd feel guilty even living in such a place. "Intended purpose" and all that.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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It would only be kinky the first time. :lol2:
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Nov 30 2010, 09:27 AM
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Nov 30 2010, 09:23 AM
I'd feel guilty as hell every time I sinned in a house like that.
Heck I'd feel guilty even living in such a place. "Intended purpose" and all that.
Well that wouldn't bother me. First thing it needs is bookshelves. Lots of them. They'll need those funky ladders. Big comfy seating. Bright colourful artwork on the walls.
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Where the grand piano?!
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Nov 30 2010, 09:26 AM
It's a church! No, it's an insane asylum! No, it's a surgery suite!
That was actually a chapter in my dissertation...
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What every kitchen needs -- a huge graphic of a man picking his nose.
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I was trying to think of why I liked it, and why I hated it. The sterility of the color scheme is definitely one of the reasons I hate it. Vaulted ceilings, stained glass, hardwood floors... Those are great elements. So much could be done with it.

For instance, why not go with natural wood for the rafters, and maybe some natural wood accents along the walls -- wainscoting, etc. -- and if white is the predominant color scheme, throw in some richer textures. (Eh... Besides the lithograph of the dude pickin' a winner, on the wall of the dining area, I mean) :lol2:

If it were mine, I'd re-do it in more of a mission style.

(And what's up with the glass panels? Looks more like some kind of corporate office, or something...) Weird people, obviously.

With that much space, and with the color scheme, the whole thing exudes a certain coldness. The glass panels only emphasize and exacerbate it.
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The worst thing about it is that the architect, or contractor, used the church like a big hanger in which to dump a white-washed cubist sepulchre of housing inside.

I didn't notice the picture of the "boogie-man". *snort*
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where's the pipe organ? and the grand piano..

i love the space but would TOTALLY redecorate. I just don't care for white austerity. I'd put long lush velvet drapes over the stained glass... imagine opening them for guests.
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Nov 30 2010, 01:01 PM
white-washed cubist sepulchre

:biggrin: That's perfect.
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Apple: Velvet drapes got me thinking.
I really like the space, and even really like the open, contemporary design. It would also look awesome though, with a total neo-gothic overhaul. Drippy candles, long, rippled, velvet drapes, that sort of thing. Oh - and a shelf of "oddities" somewhere, like 6 fingered hands and the like - all in jars of course.
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Nov 30 2010, 02:24 PM
Apple: Velvet drapes got me thinking.
I really like the space, and even really like the open, contemporary design. It would also look awesome though, with a total neo-gothic overhaul. Drippy candles, long, rippled, velvet drapes, that sort of thing. Oh - and a shelf of "oddities" somewhere, like 6 fingered hands and the like - all in jars of course.
I'd be totally down for that. Hell they already met you halfway with the pseudo-rib-vault ceilings.

I mean if you're gonna do that, you might as well go all out. You gotta pick up some weird ass Hellenistic gargoyles, overlapping Persian rugs, walls full of dusty books like sue said, and yeah roughly one metric ****ton worth of candles, preferably in chandelier form in the center of the room.

I mean what is up with those ridiculously white walls?
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You'd think the vaulted ceilings are pretty cool, but you'd be wrong. Our old house had 12' and 14' vaulted ceilings. It was impossible to ever feel relaxed or at ease in a place like that.

Too much empty space overhead... It's difficult to articulate, but nonetheless true.
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Nov 30 2010, 02:34 PM

I mean what is up with those ridiculously white walls?
It's Holland -- the Dutch Calvinists white washed all the medieval churches.
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Nov 30 2010, 01:14 PM
Kincaid
Nov 30 2010, 01:01 PM
white-washed cubist sepulchre

:biggrin: That's perfect.
tee hee ^_^ I know! I was so proud of myself!
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We have really tall ceilings - we live in a tri-level, so our "main" level has two stories of space.
I love it in there - piano sounds great too. It's not a large space though two dimensionally, so I can see what Frank's saying being true in a larger space.

AL: Yeah, I say we just let Kat Von D. decorate the place - tons of black wax, skulls, gargoyles, and hopefully free tattoos for everyone.
By the way, when you talk to her, can you ask her why my LA Ink application has been ignored for so long?
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Nov 30 2010, 02:35 PM
You'd think the vaulted ceilings are pretty cool, but you'd be wrong. Our old house had 12' and 14' vaulted ceilings. It was impossible to ever feel relaxed or at ease in a place like that.

Too much empty space overhead... It's difficult to articulate, but nonetheless true.
Interesting observation. Wright was a master of space, and made some wonderfully cozy inglenooks to create intimate family spaces.
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I don't mind high celings per se, but my problem with that photo is that the vaulted ceiling is so large-scale and overpowering - they are actually *too low* in relation to the floor level. Their scale and proportion were probably fine from the original vantage point of the main level of the church. They are scaled to be experienced from a further distance away. From that distance, they would look much more delicate and graceful, and the play of light and shadow would make them seem more refined and lightweight. With the floor level raised to this point, the very same elements look massive, heavy, imposing, and lacking in grace and proportion. Even though there is a good deal of mathematical distance between the ceiling and the new floor, it feels like this level is crammed up into the space - which, of course, it is.
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Deconsecrated churches always seem a little sad to me - I couldn't live in one.

As for their treatment, I'm not crazy about covering up what was probably gorgeous stone work in the walls and vaulted ceiling.

Frank, why the concern regarding the vaulted ceiling? I could be wrong, but from an engineering standpoint, it seems to me they're at least as inherently stable as any other type of roof structure; the structural stresses work to hold it together. At least, that's the case as I understand it with ribbed Gothic arches, as in the church in the article.
Edited by OperaTenor, Nov 30 2010, 03:01 PM.


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Frank_W
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That makes sense too, Dewey. Maybe this is why I instinctively felt a tug towards more of a Santa Fe/Mission style.

The main problem though, is the lack of color. A softer white would make a huge difference. (And getting rid of those hideous glass partitions....)
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