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| Beethoven is hard. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 29 2010, 06:30 PM (452 Views) | |
| George K | Nov 29 2010, 06:30 PM Post #1 |
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Finally
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He's even harder when you've had a cheap Scotch...or two. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Piano*Dad | Nov 29 2010, 06:33 PM Post #2 |
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Bull-Carp
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Would things go better if you tossed down a high quality single malt? Well, anything goes better with an Islay! |
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| Mikhailoh | Nov 29 2010, 06:36 PM Post #3 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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If I have had more than one drink, my playing is abominable. Oh, wait.. it's that way sober too... |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| George K | Nov 29 2010, 06:37 PM Post #4 |
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Things would go better with a third Scotch - I'll be due in about an hour. At least he won't sound bad to me, and Mrs. George is out! |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Piano*Dad | Nov 29 2010, 06:37 PM Post #5 |
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Bull-Carp
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So, what're ya playin'? |
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| brenda | Nov 29 2010, 06:38 PM Post #6 |
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There's a song along the lines of "The girls all get prettier at closing time." Beethoven sounds even better at closing time? |
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“Weeds are flowers, too, once you get to know them.” ~A.A. Milne | |
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| George K | Nov 29 2010, 06:40 PM Post #7 |
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Op. 31 #2 - 1st movement. http://s10.zetaboards.com/The_New_Coffee_Room/single/?p=8643209&t=373493 Edited by George K, Nov 29 2010, 06:40 PM.
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Piano*Dad | Nov 29 2010, 06:44 PM Post #8 |
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Bull-Carp
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Tough piece. P*S is putting his version in that Beethoven recital at PW. He is now into the 2nd and 3rd movements. He needs the first two for a competition in March, and the whole sonata for his senior recital sometime after that. |
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| George K | Nov 29 2010, 06:46 PM Post #9 |
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Yeah, it's tough as hell. I can't play it at the tempo of the vid I posted (and I loved P*S's performance, by the way). Look at 5:01, and you see this guy cross the right hand over the left to hit the Bb, and he....misses! Breaks my heart - not! I play it with the left hand, as written. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Piano*Dad | Nov 29 2010, 06:55 PM Post #10 |
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Bull-Carp
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Yeah, I saw that and chuckled. Anthony doesn't switch hands like that in that part of the piece. I have noticed that there are many accepted ways to handle the hand crossing and hand switching. Sometimes I see a recording and it just seems jarring. That's usually when I realize that the pianist is just employing one of those 'other' ways to handle the fingering. |
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| George K | Nov 29 2010, 06:58 PM Post #11 |
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I struggled and struggled with the crossing. In the exposition section, I've decided to do what this performer does - not cross the first two times, and then cross. In the development, cross all the time. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Frank_W | Nov 30 2010, 06:21 AM Post #12 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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Interesting. I would have thought rigor mortis would have long passed, by this point.
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| plays88keys | Nov 30 2010, 06:32 AM Post #13 |
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Pisa-Carp
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George, you play beautifully and with much expression. I'm sure you'll get past the problem areas. |
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| Frank_W | Nov 30 2010, 06:36 AM Post #14 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| bachophile | Nov 30 2010, 07:39 AM Post #15 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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sometimes a fiber optic laryngoscope can get u in. |
| "I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen | |
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| RosemaryTwo | Nov 30 2010, 07:47 AM Post #16 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Funny thread. I am working on a Beethoven four-hands sonata. Depite my teacher laughing at our last effort (it was comical at the end) it's not so hard and is a lot of fun. |
| "Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua | |
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| KlavierBauer | Nov 30 2010, 10:01 AM Post #17 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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As written in which transcription? ![]() I recently picked up the Waldstein Sonata again, after having not played it through in a long long time. Much of the third movement still escapes me, but that's ok. In my case, a few drinks seems to help quite a bit, especially if there's company. Edited by KlavierBauer, Nov 30 2010, 10:48 AM.
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Frank_W | Nov 30 2010, 10:06 AM Post #18 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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Bone-saws and retractors are wonderful things, too.
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| apple | Nov 30 2010, 10:37 AM Post #19 |
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one of the angels
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you ought to check out opus 2 #3, (2nd part to start). it's sublime when Barenboim plays it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPHk-62Dkw4 |
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| NAK | Nov 30 2010, 12:35 PM Post #20 |
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Senior Carp
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You're getting the order mixed up. It's 1st movement, 2nd, 3rd, THEN fifth. Great selection, George. The 3rd movement is one of my favorite Beethoven sonata movements. Are you planning on learning it all the way through? |
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| mrenaud | Nov 30 2010, 01:06 PM Post #21 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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I once looked a bit at this sonata and found the 2nd movement surprisingly difficult to get right. Somehow I never got around to learn it, but a while ago I've learnt Op. 31 No. 1 (which is much less known than it should be IMO) and I think I might take on Nos. 2 and 3 as a long-term goal. The Op. 31 set is (IMO again) his finest sonata set and should be played more often. Funnily, the well-known No. 2 is the most serious of the three while the others are quite silly and not nearly as famous. Maybe they don't fit the cliché of Beethoven the heroic and dead-serious composer that well? I mean, just look at the syncopations in the first movement of No. 1, they sound as if the pianist's hands have gone out of sync...
Edited by mrenaud, Nov 30 2010, 01:10 PM.
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Bone-saws and retractors are wonderful things, too. 
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