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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 28 2010, 12:14 PM (578 Views) | |
| bachophile | Nov 28 2010, 12:14 PM Post #1 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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| "I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen | |
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| Piano*Dad | Nov 28 2010, 02:11 PM Post #2 |
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Bull-Carp
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Yeah, you're just waiting for someone to make the connection. OK, how about this: This young man will be doing some serious time at Leavenworth. At least I hope he does some lengthy public service making license plates.
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| ivorythumper | Nov 28 2010, 02:19 PM Post #3 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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| George K | Nov 28 2010, 03:17 PM Post #4 |
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Finally
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Attack: http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/8920530488926208 |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| George K | Nov 28 2010, 03:21 PM Post #5 |
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What's been released: Hillary: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,731587,00.html
The NORKS: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/middleeast/29missiles.html?hp
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| George K | Nov 28 2010, 03:47 PM Post #6 |
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"Let's make a Deal."
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Mikhailoh | Nov 28 2010, 03:50 PM Post #7 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Good. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| George K | Nov 28 2010, 03:56 PM Post #8 |
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Of course, denials of responsibility are swirling around this. It might be too late to stop a lot of it, but it's interesting that someone has declared electronic war on Wikileaks. As one of my partners says, "You break my pencil, I'll break your finger." |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| jon-nyc | Nov 28 2010, 03:59 PM Post #9 |
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Cheers
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Sounds like a sociopath. |
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| George K | Nov 28 2010, 04:02 PM Post #10 |
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Who, Asange, or my partner? I can't speak to Asange, but as to my partner, you're probably partially correct.
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Rainman | Nov 28 2010, 04:02 PM Post #11 |
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Fulla-Carp
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I don't believe it. Doesn't make sense. 'ya mean we don't know every conversation that takes place in that building, let alone everything about every member and their staff? Hillary was just in a bad mood, someone probably told her that frequent flyer miles don't apply to government aircraft and she got pi$$ed off. |
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| Piano*Dad | Nov 28 2010, 04:22 PM Post #12 |
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Bull-Carp
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Some glee in Jerusalem: WikiLeaks Vindicate Israeli Position vis-a-vis Iran |
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| Mikhailoh | Nov 28 2010, 06:01 PM Post #13 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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But.. but... Iran is a sovereign country who does not threaten the US! Attacking them will inflame the Muslim world! We must use SMART power. Oh, wait... |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| kathyk | Nov 28 2010, 06:49 PM Post #14 |
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Pisa-Carp
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Or maybe some other countries are just as hysterical about it as they. Israel has its own Wikileaks problems: Cast Lead war criminal list leaked internally Edited by kathyk, Nov 28 2010, 07:18 PM.
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| Blogging in Palestine: http://kksjournal.com/ | |
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| Copper | Nov 28 2010, 06:57 PM Post #15 |
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Shortstop
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| ivorythumper | Nov 28 2010, 08:22 PM Post #16 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Can't wait to hear what Wim thinks about that....
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| ivorythumper | Nov 28 2010, 08:57 PM Post #17 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Mik: What's your general view on this whole thing? That wikileaks is wrong for doing what it is doing? I'd like to hear more about it... |
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| jon-nyc | Nov 29 2010, 02:47 AM Post #18 |
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Cheers
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The headline (and your description) doesn't seem to fit the article - what exactly was vindicated? As if 'the arab world doesn't want a persian bomb' was some sort of lonely view held just by them? ![]() |
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| Mikhailoh | Nov 29 2010, 03:19 AM Post #19 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Not knowing all the international law on this, IMO the principal offense is by the provider of these documents. Evidently that will be dealt with in time. But when Wikileaks is continually trying to post our government's confidential documents it is to some degree an assault on the country. It certainly isn't meant to help us, and it could well have resulted in deaths of people who have cooperated with us. We have the right to defend ourselves, and if we're doing it through denial of service attacks, so be it. |
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| Wim | Nov 29 2010, 03:48 AM Post #20 |
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Junior Carp
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Nothing much really. This has been in the Belgian press some time ago (I'm referring to the Gitmo-detainees). Political business as usual : scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. Wikileaks proves what's commonly known for ages: you can't trust anyone. Point. Wim |
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| Piano*Dad | Nov 29 2010, 04:43 AM Post #21 |
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Bull-Carp
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A) The vehemence of the Arab attitude toward military action to reduce the Iranian nuclear program to rubble. B) Coupled with their complete and utter cowardice in trying to manipulate every angle of the situation without taking any public stand. |
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| jon-nyc | Nov 29 2010, 06:08 AM Post #22 |
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Cheers
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A - Arab street or arab government? Big difference, and the cables hardly told us anything everyone didn't already know about either. B - I wouldn't say that, cf. this summary |
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| bachophile | Nov 29 2010, 09:40 AM Post #23 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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so far the general reaction here is one of relief (assuming that no other damaging thing comes out in future releases) and besides the natural vouyeristic tendency to jump on secrets revealed, the overall reaction is there is not much to hide in diplomatic cables, since the society and especially the press here is very open and vocal and self critical, so nothing that could be said is not something that hasnty been said already in public. what has been noted is the danger of governments speaking one way in public and another in private, and this is has been a common problem in many arab countries that must kow tow to their own street and partake in the usual israel bashing while privately saying otherwise. at least here, generally what is said in private is more or less equivalent to what is said publicly and so many diplomatic secrets are not so problematic. and i doubt very seriously that real inteligence, ie what the mossad does in iran, will every be public knowledge. that kind of stuff is just not transmitted ever in any form anyway. even within the levels of confidentiality, secret, top secret, etc...there r still levels of security that dont ever get electronically transmitted. Edited by bachophile, Nov 29 2010, 09:49 AM.
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| "I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen | |
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| Renauda | Nov 29 2010, 10:15 AM Post #24 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I noted in one report that one of the cables out of the US Moscow embassy in 2008, the Moscow embassy described Russian President Dmitry Medvedev as playing Robin to Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's Batman. Hardly a classified or disparging remark being that I recall reading the same comparison in a Russian print media editorial sometime during the past year or so ago. And as we all know from the comic books, Batman and Robin are good guys anyways.
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| kluurs | Nov 29 2010, 10:42 AM Post #25 |
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Fulla-Carp
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I was listening to some discussion this a.m. on this. The big issue is that pre 9/11 there were lots of firewalls and turf issues that prevented information from being compiled and shared. In the post 9/11 world, it was felt that information needed to be shared more readily to enable people to put the pieces together in a more timely fashion. I think the young soldier who compromised his country's security should be dealt with as a traitor, tried for treason and dealt with in a manner that would make Dick Cheney chortle.
Edited by kluurs, Nov 29 2010, 10:43 AM.
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