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interesting leaks....
Topic Started: Nov 28 2010, 12:14 PM (578 Views)
bachophile
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Piano*Dad
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Yeah, you're just waiting for someone to make the connection. OK, how about this:

This young man will be doing some serious time at Leavenworth. At least I hope he does some lengthy public service making license plates.

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George K
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Attack: http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/8920530488926208
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George K
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What's been released:

Hillary:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,731587,00.html
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US diplomats are alleged to have been requested by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to spy on the diplomats of other countries at the United Nations. That was the purpose of the “National Humint Collection Directive,” which has been seen by SPIEGEL. The document was signed by Clinton and came into force on July 31, 2009.

The information to be collected included personal credit card information, frequent flyer customer numbers, as well as e-mail and telephone accounts. In many cases the State Department also required “biometric information,” “passwords” and “personal encryption keys.” In the US, the term biometric information generally refers to fingerprints, passport photos and iris scans, among other things.


The NORKS:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/middleeast/29missiles.html?hp
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Secret American intelligence assessments have concluded that Iran has obtained a cache of advanced missiles, based on a Russian design, that are much more powerful than anything Washington has publicly conceded that Tehran has in its arsenal, diplomatic cables show.

Iran obtained 19 of the missiles from North Korea, according to a cable dated Feb. 24 of this year. The cable is a detailed, highly classified account of a meeting between top Russian officials and an American delegation led by Vann H. Van Diepen, an official with the State Department’s nonproliferation division who, as a national intelligence officer several years ago, played a crucial role in the 2007 assessment of Iran’s nuclear capacity…

The missile intelligence also suggests far deeper military — and perhaps nuclear — cooperation between North Korea and Iran than was previously known. At the request of the Obama administration, The New York Times has agreed not to publish the text of the cable.


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"Let's make a Deal."

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When American diplomats pressed other countries to resettle detainees, they became reluctant players in a State Department version of "Let's Make a Deal." Slovenia was told to take a prisoner if it wanted to meet with President Obama, while the island nation of Kiribati was offered incentives worth millions of dollars to take in Chinese Muslim detainees, cables from diplomats recounted. The Americans, meanwhile, suggested that accepting more prisoners would be "a low-cost way for Belgium to attain prominence in Europe."
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George K
Nov 28 2010, 03:17 PM
Good.
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Mikhailoh
Nov 28 2010, 03:50 PM
George K
Nov 28 2010, 03:17 PM
Good.
Of course, denials of responsibility are swirling around this. It might be too late to stop a lot of it, but it's interesting that someone has declared electronic war on Wikileaks.

As one of my partners says, "You break my pencil, I'll break your finger."
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Sounds like a sociopath.
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George K
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jon-nyc
Nov 28 2010, 03:59 PM
Sounds like a sociopath.
Who, Asange, or my partner?

I can't speak to Asange, but as to my partner, you're probably partially correct. :hair:
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US diplomats are alleged to have been requested by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to spy on the diplomats of other countries at the United Nations.


I don't believe it. Doesn't make sense.

'ya mean we don't know every conversation that takes place in that building, let alone everything about every member and their staff?

Hillary was just in a bad mood, someone probably told her that frequent flyer miles don't apply to government aircraft and she got pi$$ed off.
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Some glee in Jerusalem:

WikiLeaks Vindicate Israeli Position vis-a-vis Iran
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But.. but... Iran is a sovereign country who does not threaten the US! Attacking them will inflame the Muslim world! We must use SMART power.

Oh, wait...
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Nov 28 2010, 04:22 PM
Or maybe some other countries are just as hysterical about it as they.

Israel has its own Wikileaks problems:

Cast Lead war criminal list leaked internally
Edited by kathyk, Nov 28 2010, 07:18 PM.
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Nov 28 2010, 06:49 PM

hysterical about it

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George K
Nov 28 2010, 03:47 PM
suggested that accepting more prisoners would be "a low-cost way for Belgium to attain prominence in Europe
Can't wait to hear what Wim thinks about that.... :popcorn:
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Mikhailoh
Nov 28 2010, 03:50 PM
George K
Nov 28 2010, 03:17 PM
Good.
Mik: What's your general view on this whole thing? That wikileaks is wrong for doing what it is doing? I'd like to hear more about it...
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Nov 28 2010, 04:22 PM
The headline (and your description) doesn't seem to fit the article - what exactly was vindicated?


As if 'the arab world doesn't want a persian bomb' was some sort of lonely view held just by them?

:shrug:
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ivorythumper
Nov 28 2010, 08:57 PM
Mikhailoh
Nov 28 2010, 03:50 PM
George K
Nov 28 2010, 03:17 PM
Good.
Mik: What's your general view on this whole thing? That wikileaks is wrong for doing what it is doing? I'd like to hear more about it...
Not knowing all the international law on this, IMO the principal offense is by the provider of these documents. Evidently that will be dealt with in time.

But when Wikileaks is continually trying to post our government's confidential documents it is to some degree an assault on the country. It certainly isn't meant to help us, and it could well have resulted in deaths of people who have cooperated with us. We have the right to defend ourselves, and if we're doing it through denial of service attacks, so be it.
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Can't wait to hear what Wim thinks about that....


Nothing much really. This has been in the Belgian press some time ago (I'm referring to the Gitmo-detainees). Political business as usual : scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.

Wikileaks proves what's commonly known for ages: you can't trust anyone. Point.

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jon-nyc
Nov 29 2010, 02:47 AM
Piano*Dad
Nov 28 2010, 04:22 PM
The headline (and your description) doesn't seem to fit the article - what exactly was vindicated?


As if 'the arab world doesn't want a persian bomb' was some sort of lonely view held just by them?

:shrug:
A) The vehemence of the Arab attitude toward military action to reduce the Iranian nuclear program to rubble.

B) Coupled with their complete and utter cowardice in trying to manipulate every angle of the situation without taking any public stand.
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A - Arab street or arab government? Big difference, and the cables hardly told us anything everyone didn't already know about either.

B - I wouldn't say that, cf. this summary
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so far the general reaction here is one of relief (assuming that no other damaging thing comes out in future releases) and besides the natural vouyeristic tendency to jump on secrets revealed, the overall reaction is there is not much to hide in diplomatic cables, since the society and especially the press here is very open and vocal and self critical, so nothing that could be said is not something that hasnty been said already in public.

what has been noted is the danger of governments speaking one way in public and another in private, and this is has been a common problem in many arab countries that must kow tow to their own street and partake in the usual israel bashing while privately saying otherwise.

at least here, generally what is said in private is more or less equivalent to what is said publicly and so many diplomatic secrets are not so problematic.

and i doubt very seriously that real inteligence, ie what the mossad does in iran, will every be public knowledge. that kind of stuff is just not transmitted ever in any form anyway.

even within the levels of confidentiality, secret, top secret, etc...there r still levels of security that dont ever get electronically transmitted.
Edited by bachophile, Nov 29 2010, 09:49 AM.
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I noted in one report that one of the cables out of the US Moscow embassy in 2008, the Moscow embassy described Russian President Dmitry Medvedev as playing Robin to Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's Batman. Hardly a classified or disparging remark being that I recall reading the same comparison in a Russian print media editorial sometime during the past year or so ago.

And as we all know from the comic books, Batman and Robin are good guys anyways. :cool2:
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I was listening to some discussion this a.m. on this. The big issue is that pre 9/11 there were lots of firewalls and turf issues that prevented information from being compiled and shared. In the post 9/11 world, it was felt that information needed to be shared more readily to enable people to put the pieces together in a more timely fashion. I think the young soldier who compromised his country's security should be dealt with as a traitor, tried for treason and dealt with in a manner that would make Dick Cheney chortle.
Edited by kluurs, Nov 29 2010, 10:43 AM.
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