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Our North Korean allies; New Palinism
Topic Started: Nov 25 2010, 06:54 AM (3,086 Views)
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Nov 28 2010, 10:19 AM
If Larry is not a nutter then there are no nutters on Earth.
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Most of us could teach you some wisdom.


Well ultimately everyone can teach everyone else something. I certainly accept that life experience has meaning Jolly. Particularly when it comes to the human condition and how to be happy, how to overcome suffering, etc. etc. It just tends not to be relevant to the kinds of remarks that I make on these forums.

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Many educators are quite good at what they do and afew are quite marvelous, but I've found a huge number of them are the personnification of inadequate mediocrity, teaching what they cannot quite do. This you do not know.


Oh but I do know that! I've been to 4 of the best universities in England 3 of which are in the top 10 of the world and I know full well that most lecturers aren't that great. Though I suspect it runs true of most professions - excellence is a rare thing. :shrug:
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"been too" -- so have I. Did you matriculate and graduate or just "have been to"?
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While not clear who is doing what to whom, Europe is still affected:

Belarus threatens to cut off Europe's gas

..............Belarus believes Russia is using the dispute to punish it for trying to develop relations with the EU and the US, while Russian analysts believe Alexander Lukashenko, Belarus' neo-Soviet president, is playing politics ahead of a crunch election next year.


Ukraine, Russia cut off gas to Europe



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Oxford, Cambridge, UCL, Imperial: which three?
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"been too" -- so have I. Did you matriculate and graduate or just "have been to"?


Have graduated from two will end up graduating from three, left one for love.
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Oh but I do know that! I've been to 4 of the best universities in the England 3 of which are in the top 10 of the world


Really doesn't mean a thing. If you think that walking around shoving credentials in front of people will impress, you are sadly mistaken. All a University can do for you is give you a set of tools (if you pay attention). What you do with those tools is a reflection on yourself.
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Oxford, Cambridge, UCL, Imperial: which three?


Three of those! :P
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Really doesn't mean a thing. If you think that walking around shoving credentials in front of people will impress, you are sadly mistaken. All a University can do for you is give you a set of tools (if you pay attention). What you do with those tools is a reflection on yourself.


Oh for heavens sake I'm not trying to impress anyone - the 'credentials' mean very little and I don't buy that global list anyway. (There is no way UCL is 4th in the world.) The only reason I mentioned them was because it shows I have 'experience' of lots of lecturers who are at supposedly good institutions hence I know full well that many educators aren't that great.

I forget that idiots are impressed by names - I'm ****ing brilliant but that is not demonstrated in the slightest by the institutions that i've been to.
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If you were really ****ing brilliant you would be at least smart enough to not come off looking like a prat. ;-)
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Oh contraire! There are plenty of brilliant people who come off looking like prats. :P
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Well, the fact is that a majority of those who vote vote liberal in regular intervals.


They do?? Gee, I didn't know that. Perhaps if I moved to Germany I'd have a better view of what's happening around me...


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Where have I "insisted we apply black and white thinking to your anti-Americanism"?? I don't get that at all.


Of course you don't. But you have. One can insist in two ways - you can literally say "I insist", or you can simply do it by insisting. You've chosen to do the latter.


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Some questions don't have a simple answer.


And some questions do. This is one of those questions.


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Neither "yes" nor "no" would reflect how I feel about it, so both of them would be wrong. Is that so hard to understand?


Not at all. You obviously are not proud of your country, or your would have simply said so. Perhaps that partially explains why you have such a negative reaction when an American does say so.

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I forget that idiots are impressed by names - I'm ****ing brilliant but that is not demonstrated in the slightest by the institutions that i've been to.



Ok, now I will impart a little wisdom on you. The INSTANT someone claims for themselves that they are brilliant, it's a good bet that they're not. To nail that point down I will point out to you that you've said that in a room full of people who for the most part have long since completed what you're still doing. Even this "nutter" you see as being so stupid has done so.

You aren't "f*cking brilliant" - you're just another egotistical know it all kid with no experience, educated beyond your intelligence, who is far too impressed with himself. Life will take care of that.

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Ok, now I will impart a little wisdom on you. The INSTANT someone claims for themselves that they are brilliant, it's a good bet that they're not. To nail that point down I will point out to you that you've said that in a room full of people who for the most part have long since completed what you're still doing. Even this "nutter" you see as being so stupid has done so.

You aren't "f*cking brilliant" - you're just another egotistical know it all kid with no experience, educated beyond your intelligence, who is far too impressed with himself. Life will take care of that.



Wisdoms!! You gave me wisdoms!!!

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I demand 5 more wisdoms.
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Larry, one can be proud of their country without having their flag wrapped so tightly around their eyeballs that they can't see and acknowledge a few warts.
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Sue, when did I ever deny the US has a few warts?
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Nov 28 2010, 11:17 AM
... there are a large percentage of Americans who are proud of their country and still believe it is #1. If you ever visit Texas you will be left in no doubt as to which state is the best. Pride is everything.

No need to visit Texas. Reading brenda re: Minnesota accomplishes the same thing. :)
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Nov 28 2010, 12:46 PM
We could teach you the wisdom of making a living, sometimes by doing things you'd rather not, because other people depend on you. Or, to paraphrase Drake, when a man has a family, he is a hostage to fortune. You know nothing of this.

We could teach you the wisdom of starting a business and making a payroll. Not to mention how to keep the business going. You know nothing of this.

We could teach you that most of the most important and valuable things you will learn in life are not found behind the brick walls of academe nor its ivory towers. Many educators are quite good at what they do and afew are quite marvelous, but I've found a huge number of them are the personnification of inadequate mediocrity, teaching what they cannot quite do. This you do not know.
Wow, those are some awesome wisdoms! Even Jesus (as described in the New Testament) scores only one out of three.
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Larry, your answers are becoming somewhat ridiculous.

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Well, the fact is that a majority of those who vote vote liberal in regular intervals.


They do?? Gee, I didn't know that. Perhaps if I moved to Germany I'd have a better view of what's happening around me...


Do you deny that, historically, the democrat party has supplied the POTUS at regular intervals? If yes, then you should learn about your own history. There is every reason to believe that there will be more democrat presidents after Obama. Maybe not directly after Obama, but certainly within, say, the next 20 years. Resorting to sarcasm is a reliable indicator that you have no factual arguments anymore.

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Where have I "insisted we apply black and white thinking to your anti-Americanism"?? I don't get that at all.


Of course you don't. But you have. One can insist in two ways - you can literally say "I insist", or you can simply do it by insisting. You've chosen to do the latter.


But of course once again you can't point out where and when exactly I "insisted we applied black and white thinking to your anti-Americanism". Just as you couldn't point out where I said something anti-American in the first place. Predictably your explanation will be that I am just too dumb to get it and everyone else sees it (or something like that), but this way of concealing that you have run out of factual arguments does not really work.

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You obviously are not proud of your country, or your would have simply said so.

That's not what I said at all. As I have also repeatedly said, it is absolutely fine with me if somebody is proud of his or her country. My only point was that I am concerned about the mental sanity of people claiming that their country is the best country ever and that the rest of the world should lick the American boots because everything that is good in this world is thanks to the unselfish efforts and sacrifices of the Americans.
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Do you deny that, historically, the democrat party has supplied the POTUS at regular intervals? If yes, then you should learn about your own history. There is every reason to believe that there will be more democrat presidents after Obama. Maybe not directly after Obama, but certainly within, say, the next 20 years. Resorting to sarcasm is a reliable indicator that you have no factual arguments anymore.


Klaus, my interest in this thread has nothing to do with this issue. It's a smokescreen you have thrown up to change the subject. You said the majority of Americans are liberals. That is factually incorrect. I don't give a rat's ass how many democrats get elected president, it won't change the fact that it is factually incorrect to try to argue that a majority of americans are liberals. Many people in my country don't "vote liberal", they simply vote party. It's two different issues, neither one of them having a damned thing to do with what we're arguing about.


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But of course once again you can't point out where and when exactly I "insisted we applied black and white thinking to your anti-Americanism".


Your argument above is a good example of it. Your decision that my seeing the US as the greatest country in the world means I'm looking down my nose at yours is another.


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Just as you couldn't point out where I said something anti-American in the first place.


I said your views were typical of the anti-American sentiments that are common around the world. They are. Sorry that you don't understand that, but that's just the way it is. If you listened more and talked less, you might be able to hear what I'm saying.


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Predictably your explanation will be that I am just too dumb to get it and everyone else sees it (or something like that), but this way of concealing that you have run out of factual arguments does not really work.


Excuse me - but was it you who had two pages devoted to calling you a "nutter", or was it me? I have not "run out of factual arguments". I have made my point, and I made it quite succinctly, and quite accurately.


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That's not what I said at all.


Actually, you have yet to say anything on the issue. I'm proud of my country, and have said so. You have a problem with that. You've been asked if you're proud of yours, and you seem unable to give a direct answer to the question. It's not a hard question, either one is proud of his country, or he is not. Being proud of your country does not mean you embrace every wrong that it might have done, nor does it require that you qualify your answer by trying to over think the question. A German is fully capable of saying "I am proud of my country" without having people start accusing him of being a Nazi just as I am fully capable of being proud of my country without having people start accusing me of being proud that white people killed all my ancestors. Yet that seems to be what you want Americans to do - don't mention Hitler when talking about Germany, but let's trash the US for everything bad we can think of. That is your argument, Klaus.


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As I have also repeatedly said, it is absolutely fine with me if somebody is proud of his or her country.


Yes, but apparently not if that country is the US.


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My only point was that I am concerned about the mental sanity of people claiming that their country is the best country ever and that the rest of the world should lick the American boots because everything that is good in this world is thanks to the unselfish efforts and sacrifices of the Americans.


And now we arrive at the crux of our problem - I've not asked you to "lick our boots". That shows a deep seated complex on your part, one that is at the heart of my statement that you are expressing the same sort of anti-American sentiment that is rampant in Europe. Apparently you are unable to hear an American say that without turning it into something it is not. America IS the greatest country in the world. That is not a reflection on your country, or any other country for that matter. It just IS. Germany is a fine country too, and has made contributions to the world at large.

But the simple fact is, I don't see any German Navy in the Korean arena. I didn't see any German ships in Haiti. I didn't see any German ships in Indonesia. What I saw is the same thing I see every single time there is a disaster anywhere in the world, or a war that needs to be fought - I see Americans there first, with the most, and leaving last. Then I see those who didn't do anything to help criticizing my country for things that happened years ago, and expressing a simmering hostility toward my country for every move they make. When I see that, I remind those people doing it of the sacrifices my country has made that has been beneficial to THEM - and what I get back is the same crap you've given me for the last ten pages or so.





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... there are a large percentage of Americans who are proud of their country and still believe it is #1. If you ever visit Texas you will be left in no doubt as to which state is the best. Pride is everything.

No need to visit Texas. Reading brenda re: Minnesota accomplishes the same thing. :)
Really? You haven't been reading carefully enough then, or I've been too subtle. I make fun of Minnesooota as much as anything. Why do I call it Minnesooooota? That should be your first clue.
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Well, Larry, I made my point clear, you said what you had to say, and it seems that more discussion will not be productive anymore. Let's rather have a beer :cheers:
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There is no way UCL is 4th in the world.


There's so little difference on the points scale of the first dozen or so you could be right, we could be higher :P however UCL is a large & diverse University and that makes it harder to remain near the top of the various lists produced.

I guessed from your use of the word nutter that you hale from the Midlands somewhere? I won't hold that against another of Her Majesty's subjects just so long as you didn't vote for them lying u-turn Lib-Dems ;)
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Nov 28 2010, 01:56 PM
While not clear who is doing what to whom, Europe is still affected:

Belarus threatens to cut off Europe's gas

..............Belarus believes Russia is using the dispute to punish it for trying to develop relations with the EU and the US, while Russian analysts believe Alexander Lukashenko, Belarus' neo-Soviet president, is playing politics ahead of a crunch election next year.


Let's start with Belarus' sense of entitlement:

Belarus Demands More Concessions From Russia on Oil and Gas

Ukraine's attitude while better now than during Yushchenko's presidency and Kuchma's kleptocracy, still needs some work as well:

Putin Fails to Resolve Trade Differences on Kyiv Visit

Not Everyone Hates Russia

The Moscow Times 26 November 2010
By Yevgeny Bazhanov


Russian political scientists like to speak of the centuries-old clash between Russian and Western civilizations. One of their theories is that the West has been united in an ongoing attempt to break Russia’s back and enslave it.

As satisfying as that might sound to the Russian ear, the truth is that Western states were much more preoccupied with other issues throughout those centuries — namely, fighting with one another. The history books are filled with pages and pages chronicling the numerous wars between Britain and France, France and Germany, Germany and Poland, Spain against Portugal and Britain, Denmark against Norway, and Sweden against Finland. Incidentally, the United States went to war twice against both Britain and Germany, but not once against Russia. Visit any European capital and you’ll see monuments commemorating military victories over that country’s closest neighbors — but not over Russia.

The most common evidence cited of anti-Russian sentiment in the West is the military campaigns against Russia waged by Napoleon Bonaparte and Hitler, both of whom started their wars against their “European brothers,” not against Russia.

Europeans have spent centuries squabbling among themselves over superpower, territorial, economic, political and dynastic interests. They have been locked in cultural and civilization-related hostilities that have endured to this day. Ask the Belgian Flemish whom they dislike, and it turns out that it isn’t the Russians but the Belgian Walloons. The terrorists of Northern Ireland are too focused on London to even think about Moscow. The Danes are not very fond of Norwegians, Finns dislike Swedes, Austrians frown upon the Germans, and there is a lot of animosity between Bulgarians and Serbs. Such hostilities can even be found within a single ethnic group: Sicilians are irritated by Romans, Bavarians make fun of the Prussians, and Parisians look down at the people of Provence.

There is no doubt that weaker European nations — particularly those that border Russia — are concerned about their more powerful neighbor, but there is nothing unique about that attitude toward Russia as a powerful state. European states have the same fear that an increasingly powerful Germany could one day become aggressive again. Recall that in the late 1980s Britain and France — strong global economic and political powers in their own right — were not thrilled about the reunification of Germany, and even today watch Germany’s economic rise not only with jealousy, but with unease as well. Although the United States does not have a history of military aggression in Europe, Washington’s military and economic pre-eminence annoys all of Europe, if not most of the world. In much the same way, the world is also concerned about a rising China and India.

There is also another theory that the East and West conspired to turn Russia into an economic colony. By this reasoning, the United States would have turned Japan into a colony once U.S. forces occupied the country at the end of World War II. Shortly thereafter, European nations gave up their colonies. It is absurd to imagine that any country could now enslave sovereign Russia when even small and weak states were able to cast off their colonial shackles long ago.

In this regard, it is worth recalling the words of philosopher Vladimir Solovyov who more than 100 years ago suggested that Russians should take a sober look at their traditional irrational insecurities. He wrote: “The Russian people … are obsessed with the misconceptions that border on megalomania and delusions of hostility toward them. … Russia thinks that its neighbors are insulting it, are not bowing enough to its greatness and are plotting against it. … If Russia’s mania persists, no money, no drugs will help it.”

As it turns out, though, the attitude the international community holds toward Russia is actually better than Russians would ever imagine. A survey of people in 47 countries conducted by the authoritative Pew Research Center revealed that the collective image of Russia is “quite positive” — and is, in fact, better than the perception of the United States and China. Most surprising of all, the number of Ukrainians with a favorable opinion of Russia (81 percent) was almost as high as the 89 percent of Russians who hold a positive view of their own country.

~ Yevgeny Bazhanov is vice chancellor of research and international relations at the Foreign Ministry’s Diplomatic Academy in Moscow.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/not-everyone-hates-russia/424871.html

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That was very interesting, thanks for posting.
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