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Our North Korean allies; New Palinism
Topic Started: Nov 25 2010, 06:54 AM (3,088 Views)
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Yeah Moonbat, at least the nutter makes for good theater



Another clueless f*cking moron projecting..
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Nov 28 2010, 09:37 AM
A cold, hard, history fact:

As of 11/28/10, ain't but one superpower. The United States of America.

All the rest of much of this discussion means little to nothing, when juxtaposed against that fact.
Which part of the discussion means nothing when juxtaposed against that?

If you make such bold claims you should at least make it precise.
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Nov 28 2010, 09:21 AM
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Could you please point me to the sentences where I "trashed the US for the last two pages"?


Remember Klaus you are dealing with a complete nutter.
I don't think he is a nutter. In fact, I don't think that anyone on this forum is a nutter. I am sure that from his point of view everything he says is consistent. He is actually experimental support for my position that there can be many different and incompatible models of the same thing, yet each model is internally consistent ;)
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If Larry is not a nutter then there are no nutters on Earth.

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He is actually experimental support for my position that there can be many different and incompatible models of the same thing, yet each model is internally consistent


aha but you can see here

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the way you put it the first time is not the way you've described it now, and you damn well know it.


he's making claims about your direct state of mind which you are in a position to falsify so you have pretty unambiguous evidence that supports my position that equal consistency does not imply equal truth. :P
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Moonbat, I know you think of yourself as intellectually superior to me, and just about everyone else. I also know that you see me as being some God believing American redneck moron who with no education, and no brains.

You sir, are wrong on every count.

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he's making claims about your direct state of mind which you are in a position to falsify so you have pretty unambiguous evidence that supports my position that equal consistency does not imply equal truth.



This is how a sentence is constructed by someone who is educated beyond their intelligence.
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I pointed out that the US didn't do this only out of altruism


Nor do most civilized countries (generalization) in the West. The "truth" at least in part, can be found in not what is said, but in what is not or cannot be said.

WMD? Saddam is a bad guy, must be removed because he is (was) evil?

Someone help me, I've forgotten. What's the name of that large country that lies between Iraq and Afghanistan?
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WW2 is irrelevant; criticisms of certain foreign policies (and demands that those criticisms be addressed) stand or fall on their own merit.


WW II is hardly irrelevant. Churchill knew that his only hope was US involvement - a solution favoured by many Americans, but not Roosevelt (who was finally forced to make the decision thanks to the Japanese). WW II was the start of a bigger problem, the Soviet Union.


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Nobody knows how Europe would have developed without American intervention, but there is no reason to believe that a potential Russian occupation would have been sustained indefinitely.


The wall did not fall until 1989, and that was with the US meeting the Soviet menace head on. Without the US, most of Europe would probably still be under Russian rule. There is no doubt that you would have grown up speaking Russian Klaus.


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We? :lol:


Yes "We" - it's our tax dollars that have paid to try and maintain world peace. While there are many actions that are questionable, there is no doubt that Klaus would have grown up under Soviet rule if the US hadn't held the Soviets at bay. Huge bases and intelligence networks based in Europe to counter the Soviets. Perhaps you forget June 1948, when the East German government, backed by the Soviets, decided to close down all routes into Berlin from the West. It was largely US pilots, aided only by the British RAF, that kept West Berlin supplied for a year. Or August 1961,when alarmed by the number of East Germans (as many as 2,000 a day) claiming asylum in the West, the East German government, backed by the Soviets, created what later became to be known as the Berlin Wall. A preventative structure that lasted until 1989, when it was finally torn down, again largely due to actions paid for by the US taxpayer. In 1990 Germany was finally reunified into a single, free democratic country.

Serbia, Croatia, Kosovo - when this European problem erupted it was the US military, as a member of NATO that largely led the effort to put an end to this misery.

The US maintains many large bases around the world, not to mention the floating bases known as carrier groups, which have been used many times to help maintain world peace. As I have discovered, Asia is not one large happy population - history has driven problems between countries. Japan has occupied many countries - the Koreans especially seem to have a problem with the Japanese. Thus far the US has had a dominant role in Asia, however China is fast becoming a superpower. Frankly, if it were up to me I would pull the US out of all bases in Asia and leave the Asians to duke it out amongst themselves. However, I don't make policy, and the US taxpayer is still paying the bills.

When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, it was the US military that intervened. When Russia cuts off Europe's oil and gas supplies we'll see what Europe is made of.

I have yet to see all eyes look to another government for help in dealing with the Israel-Palestine battles.



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Turing (UK) and Zuse (Germany) are typically seen as the most influential inventors of computers.

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Did you ever hear the phrase "Dwarfs standing on the shoulders of giants"?


This who invented what - your argument is akin to saying that Mercedes doesn't count, it was Henry Ford who should get most of the credit. While Shockley receives the credit for inventing the transistor, there were actually many who came up with pieces of the puzzle. Ditto for TV - the Scots will point to John Logie Baird, the Germans probably claim Nipkow, and in the US Farnsworth is the guy who made the first working TV system, though Sarnoff seems to get all the credit. All that aside, the companies to work for over the past 60 or so years, that pushed all the frontiers, were largely US companies. While Europe looked to have excellent Universities, it had a problem keeping it's best and brightest. "Brain drain" was the term used for all those who left for the US. Many of the world's firsts were achieved by people who were not born in the US, but decided to move to the US in search of a better life. Thus far, that is still the case. The US economy is the largest in the world, with China coming in as second I believe. Have yet to start reading stories of all the people leaving their countries to live in China.

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But spare me this "we are the best country ever" nationalism bull$hit. It makes you look rather - well, Palinesk.


Larry is proud of his country. He is not alone. Don't believe the apologising Obama, or the Dixie Chicks - there are a large percentage of Americans who are proud of their country and still believe it is #1. If you ever visit Texas you will be left in no doubt as to which state is the best. Pride is everything. This looks to be a major difference between Republicans and Democrats. I can tell you in my visits to other countries, Americans are not alone in believing that their country is #1. [of course, the others are mistaken!].

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And in all this pissing and moaning by those who sneer at American nationalism and call those who stand up for the country "nutters" - whose taxpayer dollars are paying and whose men and women are risking their lives as we speak in the Korean arena?

Is it the Germans?????? Nah.
Is it the British?????? Nah.
Is it the Canadians????? Nah.
Is it the French?????? Nah.

It's the US. Same as always - everyone else is sitting on their asses letting the US handle it, all while looking down their noses at us and complaining because we ask for a little respect, and making fun of those who dare stand up for the US against the anti-American sentiment that comes from those who owe the fact that they are free to the same kind of American pride and stubbornness that they find so offensive.

It irks them that the US is what it is, and they're too blind to see what they're country would be like if we weren't.

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Someone help me, I've forgotten. What's the name of that large country that lies between Iraq and Afghanistan?


Persia!
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I've been to Germany. Nice country, thanks to us.
I've been to France. Nice country, thanks to us.
I've been to Italy. Nice country, thanks to us.
I've been to England. Nice country, thanks to us.
I've been to Norway, Sweden, Spain, Holland, Portugal, and many other countries - nice countries all.....

thanks to us....
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Nov 28 2010, 11:17 AM
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Nobody knows how Europe would have developed without American intervention, but there is no reason to believe that a potential Russian occupation would have been sustained indefinitely.


The wall did not fall until 1989, and that was with the US meeting the Soviet menace head on. Without the US, most of Europe would probably still be under Russian rule. There is no doubt that you would have grown up speaking Russian Klaus.
First, even those who grew up in the DDR spoke German, not Russian.

Second, without American intervention it is likely that Germany would have won the war. Not because of their direct involvement, which was rather neglible in comparison to the contributions of the other countries, but because of its logistic support for the UK and other countries. The UK would have certainly been conquered otherwise, and then it is likely that Germany could have conquered Russia, too, since they could have concentrated their efforts on the east front.

My guess is that the German system would have imploded within another decade, but that's pure speculation of course. But it is in any case unlikely that I would have grown up speaking Russian.

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Larry is proud of his country. He is not alone. Don't believe the apologising Obama, or the Dixie Chicks - there are a large percentage of Americans who are proud of their country and still believe it is #1. If you ever visit Texas you will be left in no doubt as to which state is the best. Pride is everything. This looks to be a major difference between Republicans and Democrats. I can tell you in my visits to other countries, Americans are not alone in believing that their country is #1. [of course, the others are mistaken!].


To be proud of one's country is fine with me. But looking down on other countries by saying it is better than every other country is both stupid and dangerous.
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Where do you get the misguided notion that by saying the US is the greatest country on the planet I am looking down on yours?
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Nov 28 2010, 11:24 AM
I've been to Germany. Nice country, thanks to us.
I've been to France. Nice country, thanks to us.
I've been to Italy. Nice country, thanks to us.
I've been to England. Nice country, thanks to us.
I've been to Norway, Sweden, Spain, Holland, Portugal, and many other countries - nice countries all.....

thanks to us....
Still not done patting on your shoulders?

If all this would be true, and the US has only brought peace to this world, how do you explain that the US is seen as the biggest global peace threat?

Let me guess, all those people are just ungrateful b*stards? If this is the case, then why does the US not just leave the rest of the world to their pathetic fate? That's the only logical conclusion.

The only other, and more likely, possibility is that there other considerations that are more important to American foreign policy than freedom and peace for the world.
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All that poll proves is that the rest of the world is just as blind and consumed with anti-American sentiment as you are, Klaus. Apparently, not a damned one of you have enough sense to figure it out.

I think America SHOULD leave you pathetic whiners to your own fate, actually.



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Moonbat, I know you think of yourself as intellectually superior to me, and just about everyone else. I also know that you see me as being some God believing American redneck moron who with no education, and no brains.

You sir, are wrong on every count.


So you don't believe God and you're not American. Excellent.
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The only other, and more likely, possibility is that there other considerations that are more important to American foreign policy than freedom and peace for the world.



And what might that be, Klaus - conquest? Name the country the US has taken by force. Or are you going to give me that old nutbob standby - "it's all about oil" argument.... hahahahahahahaha
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WW II is hardly irrelevant. Churchill knew that his only hope was US involvement - a solution favoured by many Americans, but not Roosevelt (who was finally forced to make the decision thanks to the Japanese). WW II was the start of a bigger problem, the Soviet Union.


Criticisms of certain foreign policies (and demands that those criticisms be addressed) stand or fall on their own merit.

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Yes "We" - it's our tax dollars that have paid to try and maintain world peace.


You were paying tax during WW2? Wow you must real old.
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Well, if what I said would really be "anti-American", then I guess that 98% of the world population (including the majority of US citizens) is anti-American :lol2:
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Second, without American intervention it is likely that Germany would have won the war. Not because of their direct involvement, which was rather neglible in comparison to the contributions of the other countries, but because of its logistic support for the UK and other countries. The UK would have certainly been conquered otherwise, and then it is likely that Germany could have conquered Russia, too, since they could have concentrated their efforts on the east front.

My guess is that the German system would have imploded within another decade, but that's pure speculation of course. But it is in any case unlikely that I would have grown up speaking Russian.


Point taken. However, as is often pointed out, the US was dragged into the war by Japan - Roosevelt did not voluntarily enter. My discussion was aimed more at what would have happened should the US have gone back to it's old self after the war (as Moonbat keeps saying WWII is irrelevant).
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Moonbat, I know you think of yourself as intellectually superior to me, and just about everyone else. I also know that you see me as being some God believing American redneck moron who with no education, and no brains.

You sir, are wrong on every count.


So you don't believe God and you're not American. Excellent.
Ah.. should have known an egghead like you wouldn't know how to keep things in context.
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You were paying tax during WW2? Wow you must real old.


You really are a dumb$h!t!
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Well, if what I said would really be "anti-American", then I guess that 98% of the world population (including the majority of US citizens) is anti-American :lol2:
You're close, but you have your percentages wrong. Anti-American sentiment is rampant around the world, but it's not 98%. And the percentage of US citizens who are anti-American is a known figure - roughly 20% - which is the percentage of US citizens who call themselves Liberals.

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You really are a dumb$h!t!


Yeah I'm pretty thick. Sometimes struggle with basic concepts. Maybe you and Larry could help me out??
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The only other, and more likely, possibility is that there other considerations that are more important to American foreign policy than freedom and peace for the world.



And what might that be, Klaus - conquest? Name the country the US has taken by force. Or are you going to give me that old nutbob standby - "it's all about oil" argument.... hahahahahahahaha
We all know that the US has done things such as installing dictators, "donating" weapons to shady groups of people, or invading Iraq to achieve geopolitical - and decidedly not peaceful - goals. Oil was in some cases certainly a part of the equation.
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