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National Opt-Out Day!; I'll take the grope
Topic Started: Nov 15 2010, 02:16 PM (382 Views)
Copper
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I will be flying on the 24th and I will Opt-Out.

http://news.travel.aol.com/2010/11/15/napolitano-defends-body-scanners-and-pat-downs/

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Napolitano Defends Body Scanners and Pat Downs

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Posted Nov 15th 2010 12:35 PM
After a surge of criticism over privacy invasion at airports, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano defended new security policies and asked that the public be patient.

In an opinion essay penned for USA Today, Napolitano insisted the pat downs and advanced technology such as body scanners are two integral parts of a layered security approach, the "best defense" against potential threats.

Napolitano's message comes in the wake of a potential revolt against the Transportation Security Administration; a group is urging fliers to participate in a daylong protest in which travelers opt out of body scanners in airports across the country. Instead, travelers are asked to subject themselves to body pat downs in full view of other travelers.

National Opt-Out Day is planned for November 24th, the day before Thanksgiving-the busiest travel day of the year.

"The goal of National Opt Out Day is to send a message to our lawmakers that we demand change. We have a right to privacy and buying a plane ticket should not mean that we're guilty until proven innocent. This day is needed because many people do not understand what they consent to when choosing to fly," read the National Opt-Out Day website. A one-man show headed by Brian Sodegren, the day has been planned as a grass roots movement to educate the traveling public.

Recently, US Airways and American Airline pilots have also begun urging the avoidance of full body scanner at airports. The Allied Pilots Association, a union representing 11,000 pilots including those working for American Airline, has guided members to decline the scans.

"It's safe to say that most of the APA leadership shares my view that no pilot at American Airlines should subject themselves to the needless privacy invasion and potential health risks caused by the AIT body scanners," APA president David Bates said in a letter to members, according to a report by CNN.

In her column, Napolitano insists the body scans are safe and protect passenger privacy. She cited the technology used in the machines "have been independently evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, and the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory."

At the end of October, the TSA also rolled out a new "enhanced pat down," in which screeners use a more aggressive, palms-forward method. Many travelers believe the new procedure is much more invasive and no more effective than the previous pat downs.

Napolitano also defended pat downs, stating the procedure has "long been one of the many security measures used by the U.S. and countries across the world to make air travel as secure as possible."

Besides Napolitano, other officials have stepped up to defend the airport security procedures as well. John Pistole, head of the Transportation Security Administration, said Monday on NBC's "Today" show that the TSA is looking for balance between security and privacy. Pistole insisted, "everybody wants the best possible security".


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Big John
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So what's next? Visual cavity searches?





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Luke's Dad
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They should at least allow you to choose the groper.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Luke's Dad
Nov 15 2010, 02:19 PM
They should at least allow you to choose the groper.
Hmm, another opportunity for our entrepreneurs.
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Big John
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now there's an idea.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_2CqxO3Lkw
Edited by Big John, Nov 15 2010, 02:56 PM.





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Nov 15 2010, 02:55 PM
now there's an idea.

FIFYNNTTM
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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sue
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well I enjoyed that.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz8OocnnH0g&feature=related





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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkjMPs1sLyo





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Big John
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I haven't flown since 2003. I was on youtube just typing in TSA harrassment and catching up on what it seems like a lot of people take for granted. It's gradual conditioning. I don't think it's right or healthy to progressively humiliate and dehumanize people in the name of freedom or safety. . .





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Eliminate the TSA!

It'd be worth one or two jets getting blown up every year!
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That's the refrain. Apparently everyone is falling for it. I don't see it stopping so I guess if you like to fly you have to give up a sense of autonomy over your body.





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I'm flying the 24th, I'll opt out as well.

But I was at JFK just two weeks ago and they didn't have the scanners. Next trip is a different terminal though.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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I don't think anyone opposes reasonable security, but defining that is where the issue lies.
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it's not reasonable to pat people's genitals in the United States of America. Look at the video of the kid getting fondled and tell me it's for the good of the country.





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jon-nyc
Nov 15 2010, 03:29 PM
I'm flying the 24th, I'll opt out as well.

But I was at JFK just two weeks ago and they didn't have the scanners. Next trip is a different terminal though.
Tell them you're not opting out, you're really opting for a happy ending.
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if/when I fly again I'm going to sashay into the security checkpoint and make RuPaul look like Clint Eastwood, opt out and moan.





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shudder... i'd take a grope over a blowup.. tho i wonder if profiling would be in order.
it behooves me to behold
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Disgusting... IMO, the Israelis have security perfected, and the United States needs to model their security after that of the Israelis. TSA is a fvcking joke. :veryangry:

And let some TSA agent start manhandling my wife or daughter! I will be happy to spend the night in jail! :angry:
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Frank, that was my other thought. As a parent I will feel sorta sick letting my tween boys go through an invasive search like this. I imagine the feeling would worse if I had a daughter.

There are just too many people out there who would find this sort of thing devastating.
"Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua
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Where is the "down with this sort of thing" guy when you need him?
"Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua
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Thanks, Ax.

A slogan to live by.
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Frank_W
Nov 16 2010, 05:44 AM
Disgusting... IMO, the Israelis have security perfected, and the United States needs to model their security after that of the Israelis.
I thought of that, and then realize that we have about 5300 public use airports in the US vs. 8 airports total in Israel.

A system that works with 8 airports won't necessarily work with 5300.

(However, I think it might work if we select a couple dozens of airports with the heaviest passenger traffic and apply the Israeli model on this select group of airports. Haven't think it through completely, but this idea seems to hold promise.)

EDIT: Out of the 5300 or so "public use" airports in the US, only about 550 or so are "certificated", those that "serve air-carrier operations with aircraft seating more than 30 passengers." So the real contrast is 8 vs. 550 rather than 8 vs. 5300. Still, that's two orders of magnitude difference.
Edited by Axtremus, Nov 16 2010, 06:19 AM.
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Nov 16 2010, 06:08 AM
Frank_W
Nov 16 2010, 05:44 AM
Disgusting... IMO, the Israelis have security perfected, and the United States needs to model their security after that of the Israelis.
I thought of that, and then realize that we have about 5300 public use airports in the US vs. 8 airports total in Israel.

A system that works with 8 airports won't necessarily work with 5300.

(However, I think it might work if we select a couple dozens of airports with the heaviest passenger traffic and apply the Israeli model on this select group of airports. Haven't think it through completely, but this idea seems to hold promise.)

EDIT: Out of the 5300 or so "public use" airports in the US, only about 550 or so are "certificated", those that "serve air-carrier operations with aircraft seating more than 30 passengers." So the real contrast is 8 vs. 550 rather than 8 vs. 5300. Still, that's two orders of magnitude difference.

The number is probably even smaller.

There are 65 public use airports in Virginia - I've been to 47 of them.

Probably less than a dozen would have any passenger security and maybe 2 (Dulles and National) would have the cancer-delivery scanners and sexual assault.

It's just a show to address yesterday's threat.
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